quickspin
306 posts
Feb 04, 2008
1:05 AM
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I had over 16 pairs breeding 2 years ago. I produce more birds but also more culls. Now I started to breed out of 8 pairs that produce the best from last year. I'm a strong believer that keeping it smaller will help me learn each bird what really is inside of them.
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SALAS LOFT
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Santandercol
1925 posts
Feb 04, 2008
5:49 AM
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I only have 3 pair actually breeding with 2 pair of fosters for each pair of breeders.That's enough to get a handle on for this greenhorn.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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bigwilly
350 posts
Feb 04, 2008
7:29 AM
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After reading Scott Cambells threads, I think the less may be better also. As of right know I have alot of pairs down. However I think that I am about to do alot of downsizing. He made the comment stating that if you are breeding alot of pairs you will probably end up with alot of junk. This is starting to make alot of sense to me. Thanks again Scott TyPO.lol
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CSRA
1308 posts
Feb 04, 2008
7:37 AM
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Whats is to many pairs someone please tell me
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CSRA
1309 posts
Feb 04, 2008
7:38 AM
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does anyone have the right answer?
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Santandercol
1926 posts
Feb 04, 2008
7:55 AM
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Dunno if it's the right answer but in my opinion,why would you want to have so many birds in the sky from different parents.The thing is it get's hard to identify who is who up there.I have a pair that throws mostly red checks with w/f.Another pair throws BB and B-Checks.The other pair throws blue or blacks with beard or baldies and w/f &w/t.Makes it easier to see who's who when they are on the wing at 300ft.
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Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2144 posts
Feb 04, 2008
7:58 AM
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Too many pairs is when you have more than you can properly take care of and manage on a day to day basis. When you get so busy you lose sight of or don't have time to work on your primary goal/s with the birds.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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CSRA
1311 posts
Feb 04, 2008
7:59 AM
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I am curious what is to many pairs
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CSRA
1312 posts
Feb 04, 2008
8:00 AM
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how many ?
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Windjammer Loft
209 posts
Feb 04, 2008
8:00 AM
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To me,if your an EXPERIENCED fancier and KNOW your birds,
you keep as many breeders as you feel comfortable with. But, for the UNEXPERIENCED fancier,I would rather go with 2 or 3 pairs of GOOD breeders,until you get to know your birds.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
Last Edited by on Feb 04, 2008 8:15 AM
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CSRA
1314 posts
Feb 04, 2008
8:04 AM
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Is 29 pair too much and if so why? so it will help me understand what i am doing right or wrong?
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maxspin
173 posts
Feb 04, 2008
8:14 AM
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CSRA,
"How many?"
How many young can you manage?
I would want to evaluate 8 young from a pair. That means that I need to account for losses.
Lets just make it easy and say (10).
My schedule only allows me to fly out (3) kits of young birds. (75 young).
That means at most (4) pair. Oops I have too many.
I use (6) pair of breeders and (6) pair of fosters. Not perfect, but a good compromise.
Keith Maxwell
P.S. 29 pair X 10 young = 290 young birds. How could you possibly know what is going on in your loft.
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kcfirl
273 posts
Feb 04, 2008
8:20 AM
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I don;t think you need to evaluate completely in one year, I think it takes 2 years with at least 8 young each year. Let's say you have 25% total losses. that gives 12 young from the bird to evaluate, 6 from each year.
Ken
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Windjammer Loft
210 posts
Feb 04, 2008
8:23 AM
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CSRA....First of all,I wished I had 29pr of GOOD birds.... Like I stated before. If you KNOW your birds,thats well and dandy. Who's to tell you how many to have. Sometimes the MORE is not always the BETTER. Just my thoughts.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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CSRA
1316 posts
Feb 04, 2008
8:31 AM
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maxspin u are funny good answer
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CSRA
1317 posts
Feb 04, 2008
8:32 AM
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maxspin where do you live?
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CSRA
1318 posts
Feb 04, 2008
8:49 AM
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Maxspin are you there i need to talk to you i am curious about your bird philosophy
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Missouri-Flyer
1263 posts
Feb 04, 2008
8:51 AM
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CSRA,
You breed from 29 pair?
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Missouri-Flyer
1265 posts
Feb 04, 2008
9:05 AM
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Are those in Indy pens?..If so, how much times does it take you on a daily bases to feed/water/clean/train/fly?..The feed bill must be huge..If its working for ya, keep it up.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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CSRA
1320 posts
Feb 04, 2008
9:09 AM
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Well mizzo flyer how many pairs you working it all sounds good how many pair you breed from
9 pair are ind. 20 open loft all off of 7 birds
Last Edited by on Feb 04, 2008 6:00 PM
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Missouri-Flyer
1266 posts
Feb 04, 2008
9:15 AM
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I have 8 pair down.. I pump 3 pair of those, my favorite pairs that have shown me more than the others, so I raise more from those 3 pair..Anymore than that and I will sink..Time doesnt allow for breeding more than that, and the time and money it takes would be impossible...That is if you do it right.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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CSRA
1322 posts
Feb 04, 2008
9:20 AM
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thats right when i can get to 6 pair i will know exactly what they produce and i do not breed 10 yougster out of each pair Maxspin if you were close i would invite you over so you can see if i know whats going on and what are your percentages of the 6 pair and how are you doing in the big flys Like MAD MAX Hardware not Software
Last Edited by on Feb 04, 2008 9:21 AM
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CSRA
1324 posts
Feb 04, 2008
10:05 AM
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Thanks MAXSPIN for your comments sorry i asked lol
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smoke747
754 posts
Feb 04, 2008
10:54 AM
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CSRA, its to many when it starts to feel like work or you are unable to manage them.
I used to breed from 60 pairs when I had the pigeon connection going. This year I'm down to 30 pair. That gives room for the bops to get their share, an unlucky over fly, and for gifts to friends and still be able to compete and enjoy them.
smoke747
Last Edited by on Feb 04, 2008 10:56 AM
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smoke747
755 posts
Feb 04, 2008
11:04 AM
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CSRA, they couldn't survive here with that program.not where I fly. If you manage your own birds, how could you not know whats going on? Most guys have only 8-10 because thats all time and space will allow or finances.
Go ahead steve and work your program bro
smoke747
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Square
213 posts
Feb 04, 2008
11:05 AM
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it all depends on what you are going for. my father told me when it came to everything you wanted in the roller world was behind a door. you have onehundred keys, but only 40 will open the door. over time i needed to figure this out over time, getting rid of the unessary keys. so it all depends on howmany keys you have to open the door and howmany you want to add along the way. hopes this makes sence bro...
Truly, Square. P.S
"here are some of mine"
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CSRA
1327 posts
Feb 04, 2008
11:06 AM
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Thanks Keith
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Missouri-Flyer
1267 posts
Feb 04, 2008
12:45 PM
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CSRA,
I must be blind, because I dont see anywhere that Maxspin posted that states that your not holding your own, or that you have junk. The response that you made to him just makes you look like an ass, in my opinion!..unless he has deleted something that I didnt see....Looks like you get awful defensive anytime someone says something you dont agree with..Just my take man.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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CSRA
1328 posts
Feb 04, 2008
5:51 PM
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Mizzo flyer were all asses from time to time do know when you are BEING ONE?
Last Edited by on Feb 04, 2008 6:04 PM
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Scott Campbell
39 posts
Feb 04, 2008
6:18 PM
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I use 9 pair, in fact I purposly don't let myself go over that as a quality control measure.
I have the means and space to breed many more (been there)but I see it as detrimental to my program.
On top of it being forced to train to many birds tends to make you a feed trough, just my opion of coarse
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Scott
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George R.
121 posts
Feb 04, 2008
6:40 PM
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12 pair is the Ideal number in my world .
I work 40 plus a week and I have three kids , two in little league. A wife that I do care about.
Breeding has never been my thing I like to FLY, if I could buy two or three kits of the kind of pigeon I like every spring I would not breed any more pigeons .
I dont like to clean, but I dont like a pigsty either so I have to clean.
I dont like breathing pigeon dust either.
I dont like shit on me either but who is gonna put the bands on for me .
I guess it comes from when I trained racehorses I was into Racing not breeding on a horse Farm. I considered my self a Horseman not a Cowboy or a Farmer , and yes there is a difference.
One thing I have noticed in this Hobby is that theres a lot of people that get a kick out of breeding Birds .Nothing wrong with it I guess but thats not my THING . I only breed because I need the Birds to Fly ,other wise you can forget about me ever breeding.
Last Edited by on Feb 04, 2008 6:43 PM
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spanky
303 posts
Feb 04, 2008
6:54 PM
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LAST YEAR I BREED OUT OFF 21 PAIRS AND THIS YEAR OUT OFF 13 ONLY.
SPANKY
SGVS
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Santandercol
1927 posts
Feb 04, 2008
7:22 PM
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Booker,
I like your video.Nice setup too.----------
Kel.
Rum-30 Lofts
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maxspin
175 posts
Feb 05, 2008
7:22 AM
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Steven,
I do most of my posting from work. I can not stay on line all day.
I limit the number of breeders in order to force discipline. It makes me make difficult choices on what birds makes the breeder loft.
If I decide to add birds to the breeder loft then something must go. Only the best that I have are bred from.
In order to better answer your question. I have a couple of questions for you?
How many kit boxes do you fly out of?
How many young do you raise from each pair in a year?
How many families of birds do you breed from?
Keith
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CSRA
1332 posts
Feb 05, 2008
7:45 AM
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Keith 3 rounds out of each pair
6 kit boxes
2 families which i do not cross
let me tell you this i lost 70+ birdsd to bop this season
Last Edited by on Feb 05, 2008 8:00 AM
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CSRA
1333 posts
Feb 05, 2008
7:46 AM
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robbo where do you live?
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c robbo
9 posts
Feb 05, 2008
8:02 AM
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uk. middlesgrough
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maxspin
177 posts
Feb 05, 2008
8:08 AM
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Six kit boxes!
Do you have time to train out that many birds?
I believe that more effort on less kits will give better results.
BOP…….
I wish that I had an answer for that one.
This year I am going to try Less is More.
In the past I filled 3 kitboxes of young birds, I spent too much time trying to get the youngest birds going at the expense of the oldest birds. This year I will concentrate on the first two kits at the expense of the third (I may not even breed three kitboxes). My goal will be to get them rolling before lock down.
Do you lock down? You just can not fly during hawk season!
I lock down from Oct (just after the Fall Fly) until March (three weeks before World Cup)
I will try to fly the youngest kit until daylight savings, or the hawks get too bad.
Keith
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Windjammer Loft
215 posts
Feb 05, 2008
8:16 AM
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Hey SQUARE....NICE looking birds!!!!They look really FLASHY. Good luck this year.
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Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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CSRA
1334 posts
Feb 05, 2008
8:34 AM
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Maxspin email me birdman2464@yahoo.com
robbo do you have bop problems?
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c robbo
10 posts
Feb 05, 2008
9:02 AM
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yes we get the periguin. i bred 40 young the periguin got 15 easy and i still done well
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Mount Airy Lofts
449 posts
Feb 05, 2008
12:19 PM
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Square,
Real impressive looking birds there. Looks like the English stuff will you see in the videos from them UK guys. Thanks for sharing, good luck in your endeavors...
Thor
P.S. Your videos works fine on my MaC but can't seem to play it on the Mircosoft....
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JMUrbon
344 posts
Feb 05, 2008
4:33 PM
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Personally I like to go with 7-9 pair. This allows me to focus more on the young from each pair. Most guys dont have the time to really give the attention needed to breed from 20+ pair because in most cases instead of 8-10 young from a pair you get 2-4 and that makes it very difficult to truly evealuate a pair with only 4 or even 6 young when in reality half are usually lost to one thing or another.
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
A Proven Family of Spinners
http://www.freewebs.com/jmurbonlofts/
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Velo99
1573 posts
Feb 05, 2008
4:55 PM
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Ten pairs here. 6 fosters and 4 main pairs. I worked thru them all in the last 4 years and am back to where I started it would seem. The birds I started with are the best so far. Now I have 3&4 year olds from this line to line breed from. I am getting one more,higher quality, family in the next few weeks. I will in fact be dumping a couple of pairs if anyone interested.
By keeping my operation small I can focus more on quality.It is my intention to cull 20-25 birds a season as I plan on raising JUST 20-25 a season. I feel I can quickly gain the quality I am looking for and achieve a tighter performing family.Ideally I will breed from 3 pairs a season and get teh requisite 8 per pair.It might take me another season or two to get the numbers exactly right. I have to agree the a smaller number of pairs does instill discipline in the breeder. One mistake and a season is down the tubes.
Good luck to all
V99
Keep the best. Eat the rest.
Last Edited by on Feb 05, 2008 4:56 PM
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gabe454
220 posts
Feb 05, 2008
7:42 PM
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I have 24 pairs breeding right now.
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TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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luis
614 posts
Feb 05, 2008
8:31 PM
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I hope to be able to narrow it down to 5 pair(quality producers) and plenty of fosters.That's my goal!
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ezeedad
312 posts
Feb 06, 2008
6:50 AM
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Big Steve..aka CSRA..
Your'e really asking somebody to tell you that you have too many pairs...? Well maybe you have too many...
In my opinion you should keep your better pairs together longer. And with 29 pairs..the BOP problem... How are you goung to prove out your breeders..
But for producing massive bird numbers... for competition...you got it going on,,,
Gomez
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CSRA
1337 posts
Feb 06, 2008
6:57 AM
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Paul i run a very different operation that most guys will never understand i'm into spin, kit comp and shows i am trying to be all i can be i will be right with you when you want to spin them i will right there in the kit comp. and right with you in show comp. i love the birds lol Pensom said they are all enjoyable lol i love it Paul to do what i do you have to extremely sharp and have a broad mine
Last Edited by on Feb 06, 2008 7:38 AM
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Hifly11
15 posts
Feb 06, 2008
2:55 PM
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Because of the BOPs Iam going with 12 pair this year, I lost a bunch last year feeding the BOPs.If you are flying 20 and the BOPs get 12 you are screwed. If you are flying 60 and the BOPs get 25 it don't hurt as bad.
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ezeedad
316 posts
Feb 06, 2008
6:40 PM
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Steve,
How do you have those pairs organized..? You don't use different birds for show and flying do you? I'm sort of wondering what your breeding plan looks like. how many families..etc.. I mean what is your long range goal.. Do you have one? I know you like to make short responses... so maybe I asked too much..
Paul
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