polarbear
85 posts
Mar 29, 2010
4:36 PM
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How does the location in where people live affect the performance of rollers?
Would family x perform the same in California if they were flown by a fancier that started and originated with that family x in Michigan?
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
4273 posts
Mar 29, 2010
4:44 PM
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I lived in California for a couple of decades and when I moved to Arkansas it did make a difference in thier performing habits. There has been some articles written about it.
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polarbear
86 posts
Mar 29, 2010
4:52 PM
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Nick, what was the biggest differance you noticed in the birds performance?
I am just wondering if it pays to get a family of birds that performs to ones liking from out of state or try and find a family locally?
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nicksiders
GOLD MEMBER
4275 posts
Mar 29, 2010
4:59 PM
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They flew much higher. I think you would always be better off with getting them from your locale. That flier would be quickly available for your questions and it would be someone you could build a relationship with more readily.
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Nick Siders
Last Edited by on Mar 29, 2010 4:59 PM
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Hector Coya
656 posts
Mar 29, 2010
5:02 PM
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Hey now this is a goos post,,
I think location has everything to do with performance.
I live in So,California,But thats not important,I dont think the diference in States is what matters,as much as the diference in location,where you fly.
I live in a cement filled area,meanning mot much thick grass or bushes.
Ive been to other flyers here in So,Cal,where there is ackers of open land with shrubs 2 ft tall all around.
The diference i see, is when people are over my house waching my birds and a bird rolls down and dies,they call it a rolldown,then ive been to many other flyers that live out in the open land and they get a bird that rolls down bumps,shackes it off and goes back up,they call it a accidental bump,,LOL
So to me location is everything.i have a Home Depot,Sams club and all kind of streets all around,its harder for me to hold on to deep birds.
What do you guys think...
Hector Coya
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polarbear
87 posts
Mar 29, 2010
5:59 PM
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Tony, you moved from california to missouri. Did you notice any differances in your birds performance from one location to the other?
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wishiwon2
319 posts
Mar 29, 2010
6:06 PM
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It does make a difference, sometimes a really big difference. It is difficult to predict what those differences may be. Guys who I got birds from struggle with high flying, yet I struggle to get mine off the deck alot of the time. Why?, I dont know except our geographies are vastly different.
Housing density, trees and vegetation make a difference. Surrounding mountains/hills or large bodies of water each change wind/lift. Those who live where environment favors predator populations and that has an effect.
Others can be dramatic rapid changes in weather patterns, elevation, avg temperature, humidity, etc.
The advice to get birds from near where you are, is sound.
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Jon
If it were easy, everybody would do it
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gotspin7
2655 posts
Mar 29, 2010
7:36 PM
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Polarbear, I believe it does make a big difference. I like Nick the slick Siders, moved to Arkansas from California. My birds definitely changed, I feel my birds were a whole lot deeper in California versus Arkansas. Hope this helps. Good luck!
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rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
623 posts
Mar 29, 2010
9:07 PM
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Geography does make a diference. At least elevation does. I got birds from a fellow club flier. I have seen his be pin dots. I try and get mine to fly higher. I think they actually fly about the same elevation. It is just that I am 800 feet higher in elevation and therefore my birds are only 150 feet above my head. LOL.
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Brink of Rolling Loft
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Spin City USA
282 posts
Mar 29, 2010
9:33 PM
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Elevation makes a lot of difference. Dough Oulette lived in Reno Nv. at 5,000+ ft and I know of some fellows who live in Longmont Co.also 5,000+. Birds that are cultivated at that altitude fly in a less denser air. Monte Nieble lived at sea level with a lot of fog, much denser air. When you take those type of birds to what they would consider extremes you will surly have problems. It does not mean that they are not good pigeons they were cultivated in different conditions. Nick had the best suggestion, find the best proven birds in your area and get some of those if you can.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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wafer kits
130 posts
Mar 30, 2010
12:06 PM
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I moved to Alabama from Massachusetts about 9 years ago. I think the above messages hold true for kits that have been trained elsewhere but not for any youngsters raised in the new location. Al
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Spin City USA
284 posts
Mar 30, 2010
12:47 PM
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I think cultivation has more to do with it than the training. I use the word cultivate because we all will pick birds that do well on our specific program whatever it may be. That is why different families and strains react differently to feed. Some familys have to be fed well to get the best out of them because the birds that did not do well on that program were culled, someone else could take those culls and find out what makes them tick, maybe they worked better on less feed and more flying. That is why it is so hard to cross familys if you dont know what your doing. If a family was developed at sea level for generations and you send the babies to 5000+ ft, you cant expect the same level of performance that is normal for that family. I am not saying that they are not going to be good, just different. I know people that this has happened to.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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RollerChief
11 posts
Mar 30, 2010
5:01 PM
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How about breeding. If you get birds from the North and you live in the South will they breed later.
David
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wishiwon2
320 posts
Mar 30, 2010
10:33 PM
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No David, it makes little difference in breeding what latitude they originate. Lots of guys in northern latitudes use lights to simulate a longer photoperiod. That (daylength) is what controls breeding cycle and libido. It also controls moult timing.
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Jon
If it were easy, everybody would do it
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2384 posts
Mar 31, 2010
8:10 AM
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polarbear,
I am working with a kit of 23 Jay Starley and Scott Campbell birds, both of which are known for skying out in their native states of origin. Here in North Carolina, I have not seen ANY tendency for these birds to sky out, as young birds. (They range in age from a year to three months.) It will be interesting to see how they do as older birds. I've had the same experience with some Rick Schoening English (OD Harris) birds. In fact, I have a worse problem getting these Starley and Campbell birds to lift; more so than I do with the young kits of my own Turner family. My own birds will lift fine when I get the feed right and after they reach about six months of age. But adequate lift can always be a problem in my georaphical area. My brother had the same problem with his Jaconettes when he lived with me for a couple years, and he has the opposite problem with his family after he moved 20 miles away. So geography, or topography, has a lot to do with it! And sometimes it does not have to be a significant change, as with my brother's situation with his Jacs.
Cliff
Last Edited by on Mar 31, 2010 8:13 AM
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winwardrollers
451 posts
Mar 31, 2010
8:34 AM
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Cliff
The Starley's just don't take to the wing as fast when young as other familys. I have heard from the guys in our area, this family of young birds take a few more weeks to lift from the roof top. Personally have never flown the family, but have often wondered if they are carrying to much weight as young birds that hold them down. In other words the metabolism of this particular family tends to not burn as fast as others.
bwinward
Last Edited by on Mar 31, 2010 11:01 AM
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2385 posts
Mar 31, 2010
8:50 AM
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Definitely a possiblity Brad.
Cliff
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polarbear
88 posts
Mar 31, 2010
5:10 PM
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Thanks for all the responses. I will take notice of the posts and keep all the information in mind.
I live near a big river in the willammette valley and just a few miles from the coast range mountains. There is plenty of wind gusts and heavy rain this time of year coming from the coast and over the mountain range.
We also get some heavy fog in the mornings, so afternoon or evening flying after work is the best time for me to fly the rollers.
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Pinwheel
193 posts
Mar 31, 2010
7:29 PM
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Ive had the opportunity to fly in two different altitudes with the same birds at two weeks apart. One was florida elevation and the other north mountains of Georgia off a hill. To me they flew at the same height. But theses were 3-5 month old birds. Still new to flying, but i suppose that might be enough to not see a difference.
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J_Star
2288 posts
Apr 02, 2010
8:00 AM
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You don’t have to move from state to another for the birds to exhibit different performance and flight pattern. When I was living in a condensed residential area, the birds flew differently than my new residence in a rural area surrounded by woods. Mind you that the distance between the two houses are couple of miles. I noticed the difference is in the flight pattern. Is it possible that in the rural area the wind patterns and density are different from residential areas?
Jay
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Spin City USA
286 posts
Apr 02, 2010
1:28 PM
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Jay, I have seen that too, air density can have a bigger effect than the wind patterns. The wind patterns can make them fly very erractic, they look like the are all riding a roller coaster. I live out in the country and and see it when the wind comes from a certain direction. The air density is a different issue. I have some friends who fly and feed according to the barometer and always check the preasure before they fly their birds. If you have ever had your ears pop going to altitude and it was painful it is not a pleasent experience. I have noticed that some birds like to fly high and others dont. That is where I got the concept about when we cultivate familys at different altitudes we see a difference in performance that may be heredity. Some birds may be uncomfortable above a certain barometric preasure or altitude. I dont know for sure, just some observations I have made that have led ne in this direction.
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They gotta Spin to win.....Jay
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centralvalleylofts
123 posts
Apr 03, 2010
10:18 PM
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guys another thing is feed not always is the same as with the westcoast the majority of the feed comes from canada,and the feed from the eastcoast comes from the midwest so the percentages may me of not just that but also the pesticides utilized in the ground and the water. also humidity in such conditions birds tend to retain a bit more water in their fat cells stored for dehydration in the west a more dry and arid climate is found speaking of the central valley down to southern cal. where the climate is optimal for most of the year just enough moisture from the sea. this is good but also bad due to the fact that most raptores find it ideal to migrate to in the winter because of the conditions their quarie find ideal also but as said before after a few years of selecting birds that have worked out for you. you will find that certain pair will continoue to produce good birds for you in your new place enjoy the hobby and the ride.
central valley lofts.
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