Velo99
29 posts
Jun 25, 2005
3:46 PM
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In know you two were on the debate team in high school and never quit debating. j/k.
I guess I hear enough negativity sometimes in the course of the day and occasionally I get a bit testy when seemingly moot points are argued to death. The purpose of this site,to incite colorful and sometimes useful discussion on the topic of rollers. Without characters like yourself, Brian, and David, to mention a few, there would not be the interest there is in the sport or this site. Keep up the rhetoric my friends.
v99
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Alohazona
26 posts
Jul 01, 2005
12:06 AM
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Aloha,what do you guys think about COMITTEE judging.Our club tried it this year earlier in the season,some fly days only four showed up=4judges,other fly days as many as eight showed up=8judges.Some guys say lets set a number of 2 maybe 3 judges,because 2 or 3 would always show up,to keep the averages the same.Some said the more the merrier.Personally,I like only one judge,to judge the kits on fly day,even if they dont have a lot of experience judging,the trouble is finding a non-flier to judge on any given fly day.Anyone have experience with this COMITTEE stuff???ALOHA,Todd
Last Edited by Alohazona on Jul 01, 2005 12:09 AM
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motherlodelofts
148 posts
Jul 01, 2005
6:23 AM
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Todd we do it for club flys , personally I like it.
It throws a balance into the scores and to be honest I think that it is a better system than one judge , the only problem with it is inexperianced judges tend to be looking at the other judge and judges to see who is scratching and sorta do a monkey see monkey do, then again maybe that helps them learn.
obviously it works at best when each judge has confidence in his judging and isn't worrying about what the other guy is doing .
We use 2-3.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Jul 01, 2005 6:27 AM
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Alohazona
27 posts
Jul 01, 2005
10:12 AM
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Scott,I always see the one judge concentrating on the kit,or at least he looks to be,while the comitee guys seem to be looking and talking story and there attention span fades toward the end.I've also noticed the headscratching thing,I'm not gonna score if you dont score thing,but it does get guys to judge who normally wouldn't,gets them thinking more.ALOHA,Todd
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motherlodelofts
149 posts
Jul 01, 2005
12:27 PM
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Judging takes 20 min of concentration even if the kit is flying around in circles like homers. While panel judging the judges have no reason to even stand close to each other, nor should they. Sounds like you guys should have a meeting about judging and iron any issues out.
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Jul 01, 2005 12:29 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
48 posts
Jul 01, 2005
1:39 PM
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We did the panel judging system a few years back when having an inter-club fly. Three judges from our club, three from theirs. The high score and low score of the six scores were tossed out and the remaining four averaged to produced a final score.
Brian.
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nicksiders
156 posts
Jul 02, 2005
10:46 AM
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I believe rules should only be changed to IMPROVE the standard. To change the rules to LOWER the standard cannot help the breed. As long as everyone is on the same playing field what difference is it what the scores are as long as the winner is the best. Rules should not be treated like a bonas........"if nobody can satisfy them let's lower them" type of thing.
If flyers are scoring 80 why lower the standards just so they can score a hundred.
Opinion
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big al
31 posts
Jul 02, 2005
8:46 PM
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Hey everybody!!
Great posts! It's a pleasure to see so much knowledge and awesome views on these pages!
It's the hope of the serious roller fancier to improve the performance of his kits and stud every year. We want to be better than we were yesterday as trainers. We want to learn from great roller men such as yourselves the keys to developing an eye or 6th sense when putting pairs together. We desire to have our friends and fellow competitors see improvement in our birds each time they visit us. We want our loft husbandry to set standards of health and cleanliness. In other words we are always looking to improve a step further or challenge ourselves just a little more each year. Taking this into consideration it would only make sense that the standards that Pensom and others have described should the basic standard from which we should be trying to improve upon for excellent roller performance (11 bird or 20).
Anything less seems to contradict all of the above mentioned endeavours. (Did I spell that right? LOL)
Maybe it would be in our best interests to make sure we get judges who themselves have set a high standard for performers and breeders. I have heard of many of you since I've been back into rollers. Great things about you and your birds. I look forward to meeting as many of you as I can. From what I know of some of you, there will be a continued effort to fly and breed at a high standard producing quality rollers regardless of how the rules may change. I certainly will.
See you in the roll
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Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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