Richard A.
4 posts
Jun 17, 2005
6:54 PM
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When should an outbird be considered to be an outbird. When it is 6 feet away from the kit or 600 feet?? What kind of a measurement can be used?
Richard A.
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big al
15 posts
Jun 17, 2005
7:02 PM
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Hi Richard A.
You and I have spent many hours together watching kits and both tend to agree that if a bird is headed directly back to the kit after a moderate or deep spin it should not be considered an out bird. Especially if the judges have been watching it's consistency through-out the fly.
I think when a bird comes out of a roll and goes in another direction away from the kit without an immediate attempt to return to it, it should be an out bird.
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Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
19 posts
Jun 18, 2005
2:36 PM
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Hey Richard.
Scrutinizing a potential out bird is something that overall is pretty easy I think. I believe it is simply a matter of understanding what you are seeing and whether or not you have the feeling a bird in close proximity is actually looking to the kit or away from it. If a bird rolls from the kit, it isn't an out bird unless it appears to not be making an honest attempt to return. Some guys will say that because a deep bird rolled from the kit and it is circling off to the side of the kit that it is still not out. I would think that a common sense analysis would detail what the bird's intentions are. If it rolls again while not in the kit, I immediately consider that bird out. Overall I think you can tell when they are paying attention and when they are trying to devert, whether that is 15 or 50 feet away.
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Richard A.
6 posts
Jun 18, 2005
6:35 PM
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Thanks Big Al and Brian.
The outbird unfortunately is a situation that is handled and called by the judge for the day. there is no ruling for such a call. At least I dont believe so. Both of you are very schooled flyers and as I, you both rely on common sense, but unfortunately there are many that do not. Also on the quality of the roll, the velocity and the depth. these all vary from judge to judge. The simplest Calls and or judgements that appear to be of common sense to some are totally invisible to many. Thanks for the input guys. I have seen both of your birds and the quality is at both of your houses.
Richard
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motherlodelofts
88 posts
Jun 19, 2005
8:38 AM
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From what I have experianced both watching and judging is normally it is pretty cut and dry,they are either in or out. They either try to avoid the kit or they don't, any bird that rolls out needs to be B lineing back to the kit,it is pretty easy to read their intentions.
Just my opinion
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Jun 19, 2005 8:54 AM
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