Slobberknocker
5 posts
Jun 17, 2005
11:40 AM
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Hello Guys,
Just wanted to get some thoughts here. Would you agree that different families of Rollers today require different, however slight or drastic, training, feeding, etc,? For example, would you train a family of early developing, deep spinners the exact same way you would a later developing competition kit? Would the feeding be the same or different and why?
Bob
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www.slobberknockerlofts.com
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motherlodelofts
80 posts
Jun 17, 2005
1:43 PM
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Bob I don't think that deep or competition kit has anything to do with anything, but there are those that are bred to come in early and a tad overdone verses a more stable type bird , both type birds can roll with equal depth.
Yes managment can vary greatly, some families must be fed rich an fed up at all time's to hold them up.
While others need the protein held back.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Jun 17, 2005 6:09 PM
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big al
14 posts
Jun 17, 2005
6:58 PM
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Hi Bob,
All of the above!
Some families have a tendency to fly higher, some always stay at a medium range, some require being a little light and broken down to get optimum performance, some families have stronger character in the birds than others. I've heard it said that certain color birds have a little less character than others.
To me the key is not having too many families in your kit. You may find yourself having to feed individually to get concert performance. This is not a bad thing I just don't have time for it. Most of the things you mentioned can be controlled with the proper feed, schedule and good conditioning.----------
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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Ballrollers
28 posts
Jun 17, 2005
7:21 PM
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Bob, good to hear from you. How are you handling the Turner family birds. You have probably read my posts hear about what I have been doing to date. I have definitely not found them to be over-cooked, as I was told to watch for, nor have I found problems with kitting, as I was also warned. I have seen lots of kits of these birds recently and have really been impressed with the quality and speed. Look at Joe Bob go taking the lead in the World Cup!!!!His biggest problem in the past has been shooting himself in the foot trying to get the edge on comp day. So handling is obviously very critical. He sure got it together today!!!Let's hear it for those color birds!!! LOL Cliff
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
285 posts
Jun 17, 2005
8:31 PM
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Cliff. I said some time ago that the Color Birds were here to stay.The Movement is on.Watch what happens now.LOL. David
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nicksiders
138 posts
Jun 17, 2005
11:24 PM
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I equate it with coach a football or basketball team (or any team sports). You go with what you got and you modify your training to fit the characteristics of the team to bring out the best in them.
Even though you are using the same family of birds each year there still are those suttle changes and differences you find in the character of each new bird. You then have to change how you "coach" and train the birds to get them to where they are performing at the standards you require. If you don't change your coaching methods to meet the changes in your team you will find the quality of your kits performances drastically change from one year to the next. The smart "coaches" teams seem to always perform well year after year. When they don't perform well on a given day it is usually from injurys or illnesses on that day preventing them from KICKING YOUR ASS...........LOL
You got to be "tweeking" them all of the time.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
288 posts
Jun 18, 2005
3:42 AM
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Nick. Bob & I were talking about this very thing yesterday.
I was telling Bob I have pairs that James Turner told me how to pair mated together for the past 3 years.It is odd that each round of youngesters have to be handled a little different.Sometimes not much but there is small changes I have to make.I think it is not because of the rollers makeup but each day of life is a changing time and whatever happens each day has an effect on them and we have to carefully watch each kit and adjust what we do to correct it.David
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motherlodelofts
83 posts
Jun 18, 2005
7:04 AM
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Does JoeBob color breed ?
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Ballrollers
29 posts
Jun 18, 2005
7:15 PM
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Scott, Sounds like a loaded question, but NO he does not color breed. He breeds strictly for performance. But he does have about 3/4 of his blood line with various color modifiers from "South Carolina birds"...James Turner, Don Greene, Don Simpson etc. He also has some Danny Horner birds and some Clay Hoyle birds. He has a lot of reduced birds, a lot of Indigo and Andalusians. I knkow that he also brought in some Starley birds this season, but I doubt any have made it into his WC kit yet. Basically, if he sees a birds that posseses a quality that he feels his birds are lacking, he does not hesitate to outcross it regardless of the family of origin of the bird.I do not know the exact make-up of the World Cup Kit. You can bet I will be finding out! Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on Jun 18, 2005 7:21 PM
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dave
11 posts
Jun 18, 2005
10:43 PM
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If you guys are talking about Joe Bob Stuka than I believe he is flying some of Rick Mee's birds. That's what Rick told me. Anyone know how he did in the WC finals?
Last Edited by dave on Jun 18, 2005 10:45 PM
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Mount Airy Lofts
6 posts
Jun 19, 2005
6:32 AM
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Bob,
From what I have seen, I would say that there are no one way to handle a family. What might work for me might not work for someone else even if they had the same family of birds as I. We all pick and choose birds that meet our standard. This will change their genes for good or bad.
I believe feed dictates how our bird will fly or perform.
Competition yields us to get our birds in their top form to represent what we have in the breeding pen on a certain date. Competition also makes us strive to better our stock's performance.
The most important thing someone can do is to observe their birds. Let them do all the talking-in more than one way!
Thor
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motherlodelofts
86 posts
Jun 19, 2005
7:57 AM
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Cliff not a loaded question at all, he's not a color breeder at all, we both know that.
His original birds came various bloodlines and he himself has made what he is flying.
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Jun 19, 2005 8:20 AM
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Slobberknocker
8 posts
Jun 19, 2005
12:18 PM
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Thor,
Thank you for the post and good info. Thanks to everyone else who posted to this topis as well. Cliff, good to hear from you.
Bob
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www.slobberknockerlofts.com
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Ballrollers
31 posts
Jun 20, 2005
9:17 AM
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Scott, Exactly. It's now Joe Bob's family. You don't take the lead in the World Cup unless you breed for performance. He includes birds from 8 or 10 families and doesn't subscribe to the "one tight family" philosophy. He and Rick Mee are good friends so I am sure he has a few of his birds in his program. Based on what I have heard from Joe Bob, color is just interesting, but irrelevant. If the bird was purple and performed to his standards with the right type, he would include it. YITS Cliff
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