MCCORMICKLOFTS
394 posts
Feb 17, 2005
9:16 PM
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Yes you can dust the birds individually as well as sprinkle some in the nest if you like. ACV is a good acidifier for both the inside of your birds as well as your lofts. It helps cut down on the bacteria and is said to have a few vitamins as well.
Brian.
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CHALO
34 posts
Feb 17, 2005
9:29 PM
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Whats a good dust to use for feather mites that wont harm the birds or squabs?
Gonzalo.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
395 posts
Feb 17, 2005
11:53 PM
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Sevin is popular. I use Permectrin II which is a liquid I mix and put in the bath as well as a spray bottle to spray around inside the loft and individual birds.
Brian.
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Cliff
52 posts
Feb 18, 2005
7:58 AM
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Can we use pro-biotics and ACV in the water at the same time or will the ACV have the same inhibiting effect on the probiotics? One would think not, or the friendly bacteria in the pigeon's gut would also be affected negatively by the ACV as well as the pathogens. Hopefully, the friendly bacteria are not as susceptible to the reduced ph created by the ACV as are the pathogenic bacteria. Anyone know for sure? Cliff
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CHALO
35 posts
Feb 18, 2005
9:37 AM
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I just bought some of that Permectrin stuff.I will try to see how it works for me.Is that apple cider vinegar for internal use on birds? i heard it cleans a birds system out,for a nice clean healthy bird.Can u use to spray around the loft.I heard of one guy using it (in the water of course) & his birds didnt like drinking the water after the first taste.Can this happen?
Gonzalo.
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highroller
96 posts
Feb 18, 2005
10:15 AM
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I don't think the birds would refuse ACV/water based on taste. I heard birds do not taste much if anything, that's why you can mix hot pepper in bird seed to keep squirrels from eating it and the birds continue to feed on it. Maybe the concentration was too high? I've been told to only use a spoonful per gallon of water.
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Dan
dkraker@chartermi.net
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
396 posts
Feb 18, 2005
12:34 PM
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Cliff, I have often wondered that in the past, but from what I understand the majority of the good bacteria such as what you get in a probios or lactobacillus (acidopholis or yogurt)is largely acidic. Again, from what I have read. I used to mix them, especially with all my show birds and breeders. But figured it was best to just run them separate. I give the breeders and show birds a vita-probios combo once a week and ACV once a week. I think overall both additives work better when done this way.
Yes, birds can taste and have good sniffers too. Its funny because in my breeding pens when I have refilled the waterers, they always "taste" it first, then drink. I think it is a natural act. If I overdo the amount of ACV I put in the water they don't seem to fond of it, but will drink it because they are familiar with it. Once conditioned to the benifits of things like vitamins and even the ACV, they realize what is good for them. For example, during breeding it appears that many breeding birds when feeding young will experience a loss of sodium, thus the ravaging urge to claw your eyes out begging for more and more grit with oystershell. You can curb this simply by adding a vitamin supplement with electrolytes in it. Seems to work pretty good and will actually cut down on the amount of water they drink.
Brian.
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