Bluesman
98 posts
Jan 24, 2005
1:05 PM
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Here is a link to a very good article written by Tom Monson on the origin of the Birmingham Roller.
What is everyone's opinion on this article?David
http://www.capuchine.com/rollers/history.htm
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Steve S.
48 posts
Jan 24, 2005
4:59 PM
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David,
What are your trying to gleen from our opinions on Toms article?
Tom is probably the most knowlegable man on Bill Pensom and the roller alive.
Very intelligent man.
He was here at my place last year and he signed my Pensom book and a few things.
I learned alot from him about the history of the hobby.
If you have any questions he would be happy to answer them.
Tell him the Drill Sgt. sent ya.
I'll give you his phone # and e-mail if you send me a private e-mail.
Steve
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Bluesman
104 posts
Jan 24, 2005
5:24 PM
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Steve.Mainly that what Tom has wrote is accurate as close as anybody on the Birmingham Roller.
I thought it was well written as everything he has done was.
After reading this article I find that at one time all rollers here and other countries were/are called Birmingham Rollers.No matter what color or size as long as they rolled.Am I correct? David
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Steve S.
49 posts
Jan 24, 2005
6:02 PM
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David,
I will agree that at one time they were all called rollers.
In the Midlands area of New Castle and Birmingham there were tumbler competetions and they were called rollers.
Even the Whittingham strain is from the Birmingham city and are performers but are not called Birminghams.
The tumblers twizzle and plate roll with about 2 or 3 tumbles backwards.
The lofts that perfected the good rollers that rolled for several yards with rapid speed and quality were from several lofts in Birmingham of Skidmore,Payne and Bellfield.
These were considered and called the true Birminghams and Pensom himself stated this and gave the definition of the true Birmingham , you know the drill from his discripton from his book.
From these we got the imports and if kept true to the breeding of these from generation to generation they are the only roller or performing pigeon that can be called the true Birmingham Roller.
Steve
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Mother lode lofts
398 posts
Jan 24, 2005
6:24 PM
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Here's a little more Steve,since little tid bits like to used. It's much easier to know the context when read
First Paragragh in Chapter one "The Birmingham Roller"
"My experiences with the Birmingham Roller pigeon leave's me without any doubt at all, that the need for a more informative treatise than hitherto is now an urgent requirment of the family at large,if we are to perpetuate and maintain the qaulities for which this very old ESTABLISHED BREED is noted. "
Dave if they are writing about the "BirmingHam Roller" how do you get just any Roller from anywhere in the world being a Birmingham Roller ?
Same as Pensoms book. It is Written about an established breed. How do you do you get anything from this book that other breeds or crossbreds from around the World automaticly become Birmingham Rollers if "you" think that they roll to that standard.
Last Edited by Mother lode lofts on Jan 24, 2005 6:32 PM
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Bluesman
106 posts
Jan 24, 2005
6:40 PM
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Steve.When were the rollers imported into the U.S and Canada long before Pensom imported from 20 different lofts STOP being called Birmingham Rollers?Were all these birds destroyed when the Pensom craze started or were they still being rased by someone in their backyard?What about the Fireballs;weren,t they Birmingham Rollers? David
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Steve S.
50 posts
Jan 24, 2005
6:55 PM
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David,
I never heard or have seen anything in writing where anyone called a performing roller a Birmingham until after Bill Pensom brought or sent them over.
Whittinghams were called just that.
Steve
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Bluesman
107 posts
Jan 24, 2005
7:11 PM
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Steve.Read the article by Tom Monson at the beginning of this thread.It tells you everything I have been saying.The Whittinghams were just a strain of Birmingham Rollers.Even said color didn,t matter.Everyone is hollering that the color modifiers are not in the Birmingham Rollers but what about the ones before Pensom.Most were in Pensom birds too.I think I see where you all are coming from now.You are saying the Pure Birmingham rollers are the strain of Pensoms
that he said was pure.David
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Cliff
24 posts
Jan 24, 2005
7:32 PM
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Dave, I paid a lot of money for Pensom, Plona, Halton, and Coderre pedigree pure breds "from the 514 and Telstar lines" that haven't yielded even one spinner of ten feet! This year I've decided to use them as fosters for my Turner Family of birds! So much for "pure" Birmingham Rollers as far as I am concerned. Who knows, maybe I just don't know how to get them to roll! I guess time will tell. Cliff
Last Edited by Cliff on Jan 24, 2005 7:34 PM
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Mother lode lofts
401 posts
Jan 24, 2005
7:36 PM
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Yes there were Birmingham Rollers before Pensom imported. Pensom just kicked the ball in this country as far as the breed is concerned. Pensom isn't followed in other countrys at all that I am aware of, in factif anything they scoff at him yet this breed is called the "Birmingham Roller" and all were imported from England into many countrys . As for strains I believe that in the development of the breed that first there were strains and then the name of the breed just took hold. In other words I don't think that there was something like "here on Dec 17th in 1842 at eight AM we declare this the breed of the Birmingham Roller" I think that like many breeds it just took the name over time but I think that it is safe to say that Pensom named the breed nor would others accept that. And no Dave color has not have anything to do with it. But this topic isn't about color on whole here , it is about cross breeding to get other colors.
Last Edited by Mother lode lofts on Jan 24, 2005 10:51 PM
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