redneckhippie15
41 posts
Oct 23, 2004
11:34 AM
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Hi All
I am in the planning stages of my breeding program.
I have one "pure" strain of birds and another that is related to it. That simplifies part of it. My birds are all under 7 months.I would like to keep the strain pure thru polygamy breeding.
I have one cock to three hens in the pure strain then one cock and three hens in the "cousin" line. I think these will be all deep birds.I had a fatal rolldown last week.
I luckily have a slightly stiff pair of blue bars to enter into the mix.
Brian mentioned on another post about introducing a stiff bird into the mix to keep the rolldown at bay. How do you do that and keep the strain pure? I have an idea what I want to do. As my experience is limited to none,I would like the opinions of the more experienced breeders please.
thanks guys
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redneckhippie*blue dot lofts*
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JUrbon
19 posts
Oct 23, 2004
4:31 PM
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Red In regard to what you read from Brian I would have to disagree in a sence. I personally feel that if you dont get a rolldown periodically than you probably dont have enough roll in the line of birds you are working with. However being that this is your first breeding season I really dont think you need to be to worried about how to avoid roll downs at this point. I would be more interested in reproducing the spin that you have because you could have a top pair that gives you 1 rolldown and half a dozen great birds and if I were you I would be putting that pair back together. You really need to get 10-12 young out of a pair befor you can really tell how good they are together. Percentage is what really matters in this game of breeding quality rollers. A pair isnt worth a hoot if it throws 1 good bird and 10 culls so I would suggest breeding as many as you can and worrying about how to build a family in a couple years when you REALlY know what you have. Just my 2 cents. Joe
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redneckhippie15
43 posts
Oct 24, 2004
1:29 AM
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Thanks Joe,
Your input is appreciated.
I have a question.The #1 cock and the #1 hen are nestmates.If a brother-sister mating is not desirable should I breed #1 cock to #1 1/2 sister hen, I have three half sisters, then breed #1 daughter back to #1 cock to have a 7/8. Then keep breeding back to #1 over successive seasons to try to maintain purity of the original strain?. Just trying to learn as much as I can before I start breeding so I don`t lose a season
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redneckhippie*blue dot lofts*
Last Edited by redneckhippie15 on Oct 24, 2004 11:51 AM
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K.Naylor
34 posts
Oct 24, 2004
6:50 PM
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Red, I agree with Joe. It will take atlest a year to find out how good of breeders you have. Well unless they are no good. If the young dont come into the roll by 1 year or they produce alot of roll downs then I would make sure that you don't put them back together as a pair. I would put them together breed alf a year and then switch them and breed some more babies. Most likely what will happen is that you will have a cock or a hen that you will start a family from. You will breed around this bird or pair. For a new person i think you should not try and make it too difficult. Keep your families pure and fly the hell out of the young. By doing this you will find out wich birds are your breeders that you want to work with. I also don't think it is a problem to put brother and sister together. That is one way of starting a pure family. Hope that I have answered some questions. kevin
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highroller
45 posts
Oct 24, 2004
7:19 PM
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hey guys, I have question for you. I have a pair that continually throws a high percentage of good rolling young. I have mated a great performing brother and sister out of that pair with pretty good results but not quite as good as themselves. I know that if I continue to mate the original pair I will get good rollers but what about when they get too old, I want something as good or better than them to work from. Seeing the brother and sister were very good rollers and very closely resemble eachother in every way, would it be best to mate the young cock to the mother and the young hen to the father or keep the original pair going and keep the brother X sister going and see what comes from them next year? Thanks for any advice.
Dan
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JUrbon
20 posts
Oct 24, 2004
7:24 PM
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Kenny I would steer clear of the full bro-sis pairing this early in the game however 1/2 sibblings is ok but idealy you would be looking for first cousins. The problem with going that close this early is that you really tighten a genepool and you have no idea what genepool you want to work with yet. You really should make the best educated guess this season and then work with what you see in the air next season.
The only quick way to know how to pair up your birds is to go back and ask whom ever you got them from for their advice. That is what you should always do anyway due to the fact that they should already know the family strengths and also what to avoid. Hope this helps, Joe
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JUrbon
21 posts
Oct 24, 2004
7:30 PM
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Dan I would go back to the mother and the father myself. you can always put them back together in a season or two. You never know the young you get from them might be good enough that you dont wish to put the original pair back together. Joe
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Mother lode lofts
254 posts
Oct 26, 2004
9:48 AM
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Dan myself I would go back to the parents in the hope of finding out which one is the true producer. I would also go to other birds with the pair to see if you have a pre potent bird in that pairing. If you discover that one of them would put roll even on house cat then I would circle the wagons around that particular bird.
Scott
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