JoeM
1 post
Oct 07, 2004
2:26 AM
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I have 4 pairs of rollers from a particular family. Of this family I have one pair that breeds the better rollers. I am thinking of getting rid of the other 3 pairs as they are mediocre and bring the level down. By concentrating on this one pair and its offspring my concern is that I will be heavely inbreeding.
My question is do you think it is possible to maintain a family starting from just one pair. If not how many pairs do you think it is safe to use in starting a family.
I appreciate your comments.
Last Edited by JoeM on Oct 07, 2004 2:28 AM
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J_Star
34 posts
Oct 07, 2004
4:53 AM
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Joe,
This is just what I think and what I would do. If you live in an area where the weather will allow you to breed all year round, then I don't think this would be a problem. Just make sure that your breeder have all the vitemins and minerals that their body needs. If you are not feeding pellets, make sure to have allot of grit mixed with bits of oyster shells for formulating their eggs shell. They breed like rabbits, and in the wild they pick their minerals from the ground and they breed all year long. If you can get another good breeding pair from the same family of birds and from the same breeder where you got your birds, it would speed up the process. Good Lock!!
Jay
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Siddiqir
113 posts
Oct 07, 2004
9:13 AM
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Joe, you are on right track. If you would like to have solid true performance family of rollers you should start with single pair and inbreed with best to best. Here is an excellent article from Rick Mee
How to Breed for Concert Performance
This is really good article on how to build true performance rollers family
Thanks, -Rauf
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redneckhippie15
23 posts
Oct 07, 2004
5:02 PM
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Hey Joe where you goin with that hen in your hand?
Right track,wrong plan,geez I sound like John Kerry.
Think foster. If you have three other pairs,foster the eggs from the good ones and you can hatch three times as many "good" rollers.
good luck
redneckhippie*blue dot lofts*
Last Edited by redneckhippie15 on Oct 07, 2004 5:03 PM
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JUrbon
10 posts
Oct 07, 2004
8:04 PM
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That was great advice Red and I think that I would try to breed as many from this pair as possible so that you can find out if the percentage of good birds is were you want them also.I think that percentage is just as important if you are going to base your whole loft on one pair. good luck Joe Urbon
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JoeM
2 posts
Oct 08, 2004
1:32 AM
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I may have not made myself clear. I have 3 unrelated families of rollers. One of theses families is made up of the 4 pairs I mentioned in my above post. I have no problem in fostering out from the one top pair and am able to breed all year round. My concern is by using just one pair I will have to use father/daughter, mother/son and brother/sister matings to build this family. I have used these mating before on my other families. After doing this I could always mate the offspring to distant related birds in the same family to "freshen the blood" so to speak. By breeding from this one pair I won't have this option. I am asking is it possible to make a self sustaining family from just one pair. I want to maintain this family without outcrossing but I am cocerned that I will be too heavily inbreeding. Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks for your replies
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redneckhippie15
24 posts
Oct 08, 2004
3:20 PM
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Joe,
Read the article on the Rauf`s post. It deals exactly with the situation you are describing. I saved it for when I start my program. Polygamy breeding is the term for father to daughter. If Rick Mees recommends it you know it is gonna work.
good luck bro.
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redneckhippie*blue dot lofts*
Last Edited by redneckhippie15 on Oct 08, 2004 3:22 PM
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JoeM
3 posts
Oct 09, 2004
1:54 AM
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Thanks guys. Rick Mees article answered a lot of questions.
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spintight
32 posts
Oct 10, 2004
11:54 AM
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well my view is yes you could make a working family from 1 pair but I would prefer to give yourself more options.
1. have you mated all 4 of these pairs back and forth amungst each other to see if you can find a common link with even 1 of these breeders?
depending on that single question I would tell you what to do, so unless you have tested all the others it's hard to guess what you should do?
The problem going with 1 pair with limited testing is that is the percentages high enough and the quality good enough? would you find maybe even a better combination with another mate?
Do you think it might be likely that it is mostly due to 1 parent in this pair or the combination? Are any of the others directly related to either of these 2 birds in the prepotent pair?
there are a lot of angles you can pursue here but unless you do further testing you are mostly just envisioning what could be? I would suggest testing these with more but don't hestitate to try some interbred combinations in the meantime. Maybe the mother to the son, sibs etc.. to test them.
The best thing I ever did was switch my matings around 2 times each season, I progressed many years of research in a handfull of years this way and it gave me a much better feel for what was going on sooner. In this each year you will have 1/2 siblings which in my opinion will really tell you who is doing what quickly? and they make outstanding pairs.
well good luck
Dave
Last Edited by spintight on Oct 10, 2004 12:00 PM
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JoeM
4 posts
Oct 13, 2004
1:40 AM
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Out of the pair the cock is the preponent breeder as the level of his young always turn out allright. With this particular hen (blue checker) he produces much better. The cock is the result of a mother/son mating. He was a good roller but his young turn out better then he is. I have his mother (who is also his grandmother), father, 1/2 brother(from his fathers side), two 1/2 sisters (from his mothers side) and a cock and the blue checker hen (that are father and daughter) that are more distantly related.
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Birdman
8 posts
Oct 13, 2004
6:50 AM
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Joe, if that cock is producing better birds than himself when mated to that blue check hen then I would breed and fly as many as possible from them and select the very best for future linebreeding. I would do the same thing with the best of the distantly related birds and if you happen to produce a top notch roller from the distsnt birds I would breed it into the line of your first pair. Cull heavily and only select the very best from the air. Good luck!
Russ
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