George R,
1 post
Sep 26, 2004
8:06 PM
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If a pigeon is in the number one kit and doing very good rolling and kitting ,then gets attacked and ripped open by a predetor .Then after it heals its lacerations approx 3 months later does not want to fly any more when released is it a CULL?
Thanks
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
264 posts
Sep 26, 2004
8:27 PM
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Hum, that's a good question George. Were the wounds severe as such that it took three months to heal? Or did they heal and the bird was fine then three months later it decided not to want to fly? If it suffered muscle or nerve damage then I could understand it not wanting to fly from the time it was reintroduced to the kit, but if it seemed fine then several months go by and it doesn't want to kit then I would have to start considering it a cull unless its being effected by the molt or not getting enough to eat. If it was a good one, good enough you would consider breeding from it and it is obvious the damage it sustained is keeping it from being the bird it once was, then I would not hold it against the bird and give it a shot. A lot of variables there to sift through. I had a red tail take one a few years ago and leave with it. That night she came home ripped clean open from her crop to her vent. The entire right side of her breast muscle was showing and she had talon holes in her back. After she healed up she went right back to kitting within a week or so and never looked back.
Brian.
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George R,
2 posts
Sep 26, 2004
8:41 PM
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The bird was ripped apart by a cooper its wounds were to the crop and the wing pit and back.
it never appeared to lift off (fly ) the same after the wounds healed it labored to get airborn .
the bird also gained a good amount of weight during its healing time.
Thanks george
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
265 posts
Sep 26, 2004
8:52 PM
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Well to me that sounds more realistic, especially if it was wounded near the wing. Hard to say what you should do without seeing it all first hand. If you think it was a good one, then I wouldn't consider it a cull, but rather a casualty of war.
Brian.
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highroller
38 posts
Sep 27, 2004
4:05 PM
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You guys are talking about injuries to the crop....If a bird's crop is ripped apart baring the breast muscle and neck can that heal up? How does the bird eat, won't the food just fall out? I culled one last night that had the crop torn away, breast muscle ripped and the wing nearly severed. For future reference I would like to know just how bad of a crop injury can be survived.
Thanks, Dan
Last Edited by highroller on Sep 27, 2004 5:41 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
267 posts
Sep 27, 2004
4:44 PM
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Dan, that all depends on the injury. It sounds like the bird you had was pretty torn up and culling it was probably the only recourse. Pigeons are pretty resiliant creatures and can rehabilitate pretty good. As far as torn crops, there are several things you can do such as sewing it back up or as AD mentioned on his web site, just super glue it back together if the opening is not very large.
When I was a kid my neighbor raced homers. One day one of his racers hit a power wire and tore its crop horizontally all the way across the chest. He asked me to hold the bird for him while he proceeded to sew the crop closed. For a 10 year old kid that was VERY interesting to say the least..lol.
If the birds don't sustain any internal trauma, most all of their surface wounds will heal up properly if you make sure and administer an antibacterial dressing to the area for about a week. I use the terramycin ointment then dowse the area with an NFZ Puffer which is antibacterial powder. You can also use household stuff like Neosporin (sp). This keeps the area moist so it can heal as well as keeps the wounds from becoming infected.
Brian.
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George R,
4 posts
Sep 27, 2004
5:49 PM
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The wounds were closed using a needle and some sewing string then I applied some furazine dressing on the wounds and they closed up nicely.
the bird is fine now days he just wont fly no more then 20ft at a time then land .
I just dont know what to do with him since he was a nice roller kitted and rolled great before he was shreded by
Mr.Cooper
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highroller
40 posts
Sep 27, 2004
5:56 PM
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George,
If you don't need the bird as a stock bird and don't know what else to do with it perhaps there is someone nearby that would appreciate it in their breeding loft. It was a good roller and kitter from your A team and could have value to someone.
Dan
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JUrbon
8 posts
Sep 28, 2004
7:33 PM
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George you know you will get a lot of different opinions on this one and you really need to do what best fits your needs. I can tell you that my # 1 cock # nbrc 904-97 was a great bird in the air and at 13 monthes he was hit by a falcon and tore up really bad accross the back. I patched him up and never flew him again. However I was already planning on stocking this bird so this was just the persuasion that I needed to get him out of the air and in the stock loft a bit earlier. Stocking that bird has turned out to be the best thing that I have done with this family of birds. If you have room than what do you have to loose if you wanted to give him a try. I mean after all you did say that he was a good spinner at the time of his injury.Just my thoughts though, Joe Urbon
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George R,
6 posts
Sep 28, 2004
7:52 PM
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Thanks for the advice Joe .
I put him in the stock loft and he will get a chance to prove himself as a breeder .
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Birdman
3 posts
Sep 28, 2004
9:31 PM
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Joe,
I'm glad you stocked that #904 cock after the falcon tore him up. The best bird I bred this year is a great grandson to your #904 bird. A nice, deep spinning, frequent cock, with extreme velocity, style and balance. The kind of bird that puts a pucker in your bottom everytime you watch him in the kit!
George, if you think the bird is better than what you are breeding from now, then give him a try. If not, and he won't fly, use him as a foster or cull him.
Russ
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