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J_Star
17 posts
Sep 17, 2004
1:05 PM
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From best to worst, based on your experience, how many rolls a roller would do in a half hour of flying. Exceptional roller, Very good, Average, Under achievers. Also what do you think is the best depth of the roll, 15-30', 20-50',30-75' and why.
Last Edited by J_Star on Sep 17, 2004 1:07 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
242 posts
Sep 17, 2004
1:20 PM
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Jay, it would be my opinion for conversation that in 30 minutes of flying, an exceptional roller for frequency would roll 30 times, Very good frequency would roll 15-20 times, Average would be 10 and underachiever is a cull so it doesn't matter, that is a dead pigeon flying.
Notice I said "frequency". For the number of times a roller rolls does not an exceptional roller make. An exceptional roller must do a variety of things starting with roll quality, followed by frequency, speed, smoothness, exiting, heart and physical desire. Rollers can roll 30 times a minute, but they are still junk, far from expectional..in my opinion of course. Same said for a roller that can blurr it out like nothing you have ever seen before for 50 feet straight down, but only does it once every 15 minutes at best. That is a dud pigeon to me. I have gotten them and thought I could make them into something they couldn't reproduce, therefore..dud. Has to have the whole package. If it will go at least once a minute for 20 straight minutes and do everything else right, that is an exceptional pigeon!
Depth the roll will vary depending on who you talk to. I am happy with 20-40 feet for my comp teams. Any deeper gets sketchy, any shorter kills the possible depth bonus marks.
Brian.
Last Edited by on Jun 02, 2007 6:46 PM
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J_Star
18 posts
Sep 18, 2004
4:41 PM
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Brian,
Thanks for your response. Let me ask you and others if they wish to elaborate, how old the bird should be in order to categorize it as mentioned above? Is one season is plenty or two seasons?
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
245 posts
Sep 18, 2004
8:14 PM
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Again Jay, that would pretty much depend on who you talk to. Some demand that a roller be flown for two years before it is labeled. Others go by the seat of their pants if you will, giving credentials to a bird when they feel comfortable it is doing the right thing day in and day out. Others are fine with placing judgement on their birds by six months. I like to see mine reach 12 months old and showing the goods, having been doing so for at least six months as well. Its really a frame of mind and personal standards one sets for themselves.
Brian.
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J_Star
21 posts
Sep 25, 2004
5:33 PM
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Thanks again. Another question is what is the optimal flying distance for compition flys? Is is 200 - 300 feet or higher, so the birds could give good performance an be close to be judged?
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Mother lode lofts
209 posts
Sep 25, 2004
7:30 PM
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I want birds that only roll when the kit breaks, 25 -30 breaks from a "good" team is a smoken fly, 20-25 is a good fly
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Mother lode lofts
210 posts
Sep 25, 2004
7:31 PM
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High enough for the birds to feel cofortable to cut loose
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
262 posts
Sep 25, 2004
7:48 PM
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Jay, believe it or not, 200 feet isn't that high at all! I once thought it was until I started using a range finder to get a precise reading. What I thought was about 200 feet was closer to 350-400 feet. I was curious to find out exactly the height I like to see my kits fly and found that number to be from 400-500 feet. Its a real nice height where the birds, like Scott said, feel comfortable to let it out, as well as still being in good viewing range to see exactly what is going on. Any lower than 250 or so and some birds just are reluctant to let it go, even causing some to roll awkward as they feel uncomfortable being so close to the ground. When the start getting up into that 700-plus foot range you start to loose the indentification of the breaks, meaning being able to accurately see what kind of quality they have. Some judges won't even score them over that kind of height.
Brian.
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J_Star
22 posts
Sep 26, 2004
5:59 PM
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Thank you guys.
The reason I am asking is because when I feed my birds (almost 4 months old) a tablespoon of food each every 24 hours, the birds will only fly 250 to 300 feet for a half hour to 45 min. When I feed them about one and a half table spoon each, they fly about 400 to 500 feet for 45 min., which I prefer. From what I hear from you is that I should keep the feed at one and half tablespoon to get the proper hights from them. The question about the number of rolls is because a particuler roller that I have, a homo grizzle white 99.9 white, about 4 months old rolls 20-40' and in 20 min. does 34 to 38 rolls fast and consistant. When close to the ground, only rolls about 10-15'. When the bird are at about 300', you can see the quality of the rolls, but when at 500', the birds roll consistantly but look very small to really be able to judge the quality. The way I am measuring the distance is by using my house hight, which is about 60', and by looking at the birds in flight to measure the distance from the house. Is there another method or device is available to rent to be able to mesure distances properly?
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Mother lode lofts
213 posts
Sep 26, 2004
6:14 PM
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Jay don't get stuck on this one tablespoon thing exspecially for birds that age,they need what they need no matter how old they are and with oncoming cold weather many will litteraly starve thier birds to death due to this magical 1 tablespoon thing that some shmuck threw out there , at 4 mo. old they are still babies. Never try and micro manage them at that age. There just simply is no need and you are more apt to hurt them. Plus this time of year we have the moult to consider when feeding. The way I feed for the moult is not conductive for good rolling, they want to fly strong and tend to fly a bit faster. It doesn't matter though as all I'm trying to do is get them through it. The good stuff will come after the moult.
just my opinion
Scott
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
263 posts
Sep 26, 2004
7:51 PM
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Jay, if you know someone who is a hunter they will probably have a range finder which is like a small pair of binoculars that uses a laser beam to judge distance accurately within one yard. The reading must be taken when they are overhead, otherwise it won't be accurate at all. Its hard to do and took me a little while to get a steady hand to be able to keep the laser on the bird or birds for the two seconds or so that is required for the laser to go out then come back. I was watching my old bird team today and they were at a perfect height. I guessed they are right at about 500 feet. I ranged them right afterwards at 510 feet. Before using it as much as I do now I would have said they were no more than 300 feet up. See if you can borrow one because they are kind of pricey. A good one will cost you a couple hundred bucks.
And like Scott said, don't mess with their feed at such a young age. If they are flying 45 minutes and several hundred feet up, that is fine. You don't want start wearing on them, nor teaching them to fly too high either.
Brian.
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