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chachi
8 posts
Sep 16, 2004
3:54 PM
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In my reading of Pensoms book:
It was written that all rollers have the propensity to roll.
I am new to the game here, so this might seem silly to some, but let's say you have two rollers. One a tumbler and one a roll down. If you expect to see bad traits pop up in rollers when you breed them why would you rather not breed from a roll down instead of a flipper/tumbler?
For example- You mate a rolldown with a short or medium rolling hen. Wouldn't you have more of a chance of breeding for the roll and try to shorten the depth of roll from a bird you know actually rolls. Whereas, the tumbler only flips and tail rides or rolls once or twice and butterflys. Would it not seem the roll is not there and be harder and take longer to get out the type of bird that only rolls five feet?
I read endlessly to breed, fly, and cull hard. Now I am thinking that if you raise a kit of say 20 squeekers to train, my thought is that you might only get two or three keepers and maybe one good breeder. So technically you might raise twenty and cull 18 birds that didn't have a chance to begin with because they don't roll meeting the " standard" .
Why not use a rolldown that you know has good style roll in his blood and try to breed away from theground hitting trait? Aside from the birds thumping on the next door neighbors roof or crash and burning on someones lawn, wouldn't you want to try and work the roll that is there vice the roll that isn't? Wouldn't it be easier to let nature take it's course and see if your bird gains the discipline after time or different feeding vice the old it is easier to cull the bird in a bag? I read endlessly that good birds today might someday rolldown and are done for. what are the thoughs on that.
Last Edited by chachi on Sep 16, 2004 4:17 PM
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highroller
33 posts
Sep 16, 2004
5:54 PM
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If I only had a non roller or flipper and a rolldown to choose from I would seek out other stock birds. If none were available I would mate the rolldown to a short rolling bird and hope for the best. But as you say, in a kit of 20 or so you may get a few really good ones and one worth breeding from. In that case I would definately breed from the one outstanding bird and stay away from the rolldown.
Dan
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
239 posts
Sep 16, 2004
9:42 PM
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A flipper and a roll down are both culls, one usually culls itself for you..lol. As Dan said, if that is all you are getting, then time to start over with some different birds. There are way, way, way too many good rollers out there to mess around with trying to make something happen, that is already happening in other rollers. I mated a borderline roll down up once to a bird that produced mostly stiffs and 5 out of 6 were roll downs. Therefore, I wasted good feed and time trying to make something happen from birds that were problem birds to begin with. Ultimately you want to have a little "heat" in the lofts to keep the roll coming, but it takes good breeding management to keep the future offspring from turning into lawn darts. By the way, if you get 5 good kit rollers and 1 good bird to breed from out of every 20 youngsters raised, those are really good percentages.
Brian.
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