GEORGE R.
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Aug 30, 2004
2:19 PM
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do blu bars tend to be stiff ?(no roll)
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
208 posts
Aug 30, 2004
2:40 PM
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George, I think you will get different answers to that question, kind of similar to the recessive red thing. I have raised a few blue bars that were really good rollers, but frequency wasn't something they had a lot of. I have also raised my share of stiff blue bars too. One thing I can't remember ever raising was a blue bar that was hot or a rolldown, so maybe there is something about it in the birds I am working with where the blue bars tend to run a little cold. I know that a good friend of mine's foundation bird is a blue bar self cock which produces great rollers across the board. I bred from a blue bar daughter of that cock and produced some rather stiff blues, but they rolled great when they would roll. I finally got a red bar off of the mating which is the best of the bunch. I think like many color/markings, they have their place of value in the breeding loft. Again, it all depends on the family too.
Brian.
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my blu bar
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Aug 30, 2004
3:51 PM
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my blu is right on with one little back flip,just a little ploop,about every minute or so sometimes more depending on his mood.he does`nt drop more than about ten feet or so and i dont know if this is a good thing or not as depth of roll is a quality I have learned.
anyway I think he is pretty good for a young one. In the first molt now.
good luck
redneckhippie15
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dennis
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Aug 30, 2004
4:18 PM
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hey guy my best bird ever happened to be a silver red bar
one of the quickest spinners i have ever seen but he happened to be only about a 10 to 15 foot spinner but i flew him for 2 years then i got robbed in L.A. AND all i was left with was this ugly little silver red bar and a blue bar hen his sister out of them i developed one of the most awlsome famalies anyone has ever seen inbreeding them for 15 years and they have breed all colors blue checks,red cks,blue bar,red bar,black selfs,reduce red,all of this colors were behind this birds and although i no longer fly competition since ive been robbed too many times before i have to say i have great birds.so i belive that blue bar are of great aset to our blood lines.
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Mother lode lofts
152 posts
Aug 30, 2004
4:26 PM
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Dennis did you only breed the Red Bar and Blue Bar for this ?
Last Edited by Mother lode lofts on Aug 30, 2004 4:28 PM
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highroller
26 posts
Aug 30, 2004
4:39 PM
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I had the same question ...all that from red and blue bars? Especially checks!
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
152 posts
Aug 30, 2004
8:47 PM
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I had a Blue bar hen out of a Blue Bar cock. I flew her for a number of years. During this time she had a depth of a few feet. Then one day she started dropping 20 to 30 feet with velocity and style. This was out of the Homer Corderre side of the family and they are later developers. But this hen took probably 3 years before she added all the depth to her performance. Before then she did everything right, just was not a deep roller. Go figure...FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Mother lode lofts
153 posts
Aug 31, 2004
7:27 PM
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Tony Generally my birds are in the roll pretty solid by 8 mo. along with pretty good depth, but as far as seeing the best of them as far as speed and qaulity coupled with depth. It won't happen until into the 2nd year. The good one's just get better.
Scott
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M.H.
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Aug 31, 2004
7:42 PM
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Scott, Thats interesting to hear. I have a little hen that is now 2 years, up until a week ago she rolled no more than 5 feet but always returned to the kit and did nothing wrong so I kept her. Last week she turned it on and is consistantly 15 to 20 feet with alot of speed. Is this common maybe I've culled some good birds to soon? Mark
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Mother lode lofts
157 posts
Sep 01, 2004
1:30 PM
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M.H. if you are holding onto birds for two years that are doing very little then I don't think that you should be worried about culling birds too early. But many do cull to early. And some hang on for too long. Myself I give them 10-12 mo.at the most. at 12 mo. they better be showing me something as far as good roll or they are outa here. plus by that time I am well into the next years breeding season and need more perch space.
Scott
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M. H.
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Sep 01, 2004
7:21 PM
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Scott, Maybe I should have explained it better. I've never kept a bird that was not spinning longer than the first winter after they hatched except for this hen. Then I meant maybe I've culled some good ones because they were less than a year old. P.S. Now I'm starting to find out how important kitting is in the choosing of breeders. I'm getting some decent roll from certain birds but they couldn't care less where the rest of the kit is. Anyway thanks for the info. Mark
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Mother lode lofts
163 posts
Sep 01, 2004
8:55 PM
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Mark I will keep them well into the following late Spring and it really pans out. If you are dumping them at Winter than I would say yes you are culling to soon. Keep in mind with the short days ahead and iffy fly squedules due to late Fall and Winter it is going to take the later hatch birds longer to come in. Plus too the heat of Summer and the moult retards the development of the mid to early hatch.As for the kitting,never breed out of a non-kitter as they just don't have the heart. But at the same time you must be a little leniant when they are first coming into the roll until they get a handle on it. But I only give them a few weeks tops for this. The more of a problem that they have handling the roll and kitting the more that they are bound to screw you even if they do start kitting as they tend to want to fall out during moult or for any little reason at all. At least that is what I have found with my birds.
Scott
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nicksiders
79 posts
Sep 01, 2004
9:07 PM
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I don't think color has much to do with roll characteristics. It is what you got bred in them that decides thier roll characteristics.
We seem to always come back to color or some kind of eyes sign that influences the roll even after we have all agreed that it does not have anything to do with it.
Amazing
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Mother lode lofts
164 posts
Sep 01, 2004
9:17 PM
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Nick yes the eye and color do play in. at least around here it does and the same holds consistant in friends lofts of different families. As for other lofts. I don't know. As for Blue Bars. yes I have bred some good ones. More dots are connected than you think.
Scott
Last Edited by Mother lode lofts on Sep 01, 2004 9:22 PM
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dennis
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Sep 02, 2004
9:20 PM
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some as for the silver red bar and the blue bar famaly i eventually had some lavenders and some dunns and red checks from hector sanchez bloodlines a total of 6 birds went into my famaly but i crossed both bars into all of them which is why i consider my bars as the best out of them aslmost every bar spins in above avarage speed but not all and some do take longer about 7 to 8 mo.
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