Thor
3 posts
Aug 25, 2004
1:16 PM
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Just wondering if anyone else experience breeding a blind grizzle roller out of a pair of grizzles (both cock and hen being of double factor grizzle). I know guys who has Almonds and they say this will happen if you put two Almonds together but we are talking about Grizzles here... are there any connections.
The blind bird is a Black Grizzle and it is out of a '95 White Tick and a '98 Black Grizzle.
This is the first time this has happen to me and I would like it to be the last.
Any experience with this type of blindness?
I was also contemplating if it was a recessive genetic gene among the line.
Please share your experiences,
Thor
P.S. My family does not carry no such Dillute gene nor did it ever have such genes... I just mentioned Almond because I know guys who has it and has been told it will have such effects.
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Anonymous
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Aug 25, 2004
5:01 PM
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Last Edited by rollerpigeon on Aug 25, 2004 7:44 PM
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Anonymous
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Aug 25, 2004
5:01 PM
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I notice the first post about not having Dilute in the family. God forbid you should!! If you did, they might be called Mongrels!!
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Thor
5 posts
Aug 25, 2004
9:03 PM
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Hey there,
I have no idea what you mean by long downed or short downed. Maybe you could elaborate what you mean?
Thor
P.S. Maybe you can leave me a name to refer my post to in the future?
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Thor
6 posts
Aug 25, 2004
9:11 PM
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Hi there,
I to have heard that Dillute was in the breed from the start but this has no merit in my situration. Does anyone else have birds off the Plona line that has had this problem with breeding blind birds of the Grizzle Line. As I recall, Stan kept 2 lines: Blue (stiff but packed alot of velocity) and Grizzle (packed the frequency).
Flying them,
Thor
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
164 posts
Aug 25, 2004
9:15 PM
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Thor, my question would be are the parents strongly inbred the same? I have seen that happen from time to time in familys that were strongly inbred, which as we know, can bring out the good and the bad. I wouldn't sweat it unless you start to get more of them. I have never heard of a homo grizzle mating producing blind babies simply because they were grizzle. I can remember several guys who bred double factor grizzle together rountinely to create mostly white rollers. I would think if there were a genetic question about the grizzle it would have surfaced by now and we would be aware of it. I do know of one guy who bred generation after generation back to the same cock bird and consequently started getting babies born with no eyes at all, just empty sockets.
Brian.
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Anonymous
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Aug 26, 2004
6:58 AM
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Thor - sorry my name is Scott. Long Downed versus Short Down...Was the baby really, really yellow and fuzzy? Or did it kinda look like it might need some Rogaine?
Honestly, I think maybe you inbred one too many generations. Ever seen that movie "Wrong Turn"...think you might have made one...LOL!
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Thor
10 posts
Aug 29, 2004
11:18 PM
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Hi Brian,
To be honest, I think my Family of birds as a whole have been alittle over cooked on the inbreeding. If I recall correct, inbreeding was a favorite method for J. Leroy Smith. This particular line is off birds Stan got from Smith.
The Hen that produced this blind young is a loaner and I have not yet asked to see her pedigree. If I had to guess, I would say she falls closely to his line because they resemble each other alot... hence why they were mated.
I try to stay away from inbreeding to much... well atleast that's my plan. I am curren't only working out of so many breeders which are inturn heavily inbred down from two sources. A bird that David Kowalski got at Stan Plona's funeral and a bird that Tom Stone from Penn. purchased or recieved from Stan which Tom Stone heavily inbred.
Thor
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Thor
11 posts
Aug 29, 2004
11:30 PM
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Hi Scott,
Now I have something to referr my posts too. To answer your question, I would say that it had the normal yellow fuzz. I don't know if that would include it as being long downed but it seemed normal to me.
I didn't really know what was wrong with it because it was and still is healthy as can be until I moved it to the kit box the other day. After moving it to the kitbox, I notice it was scared when i tried reaching out to pick it up. Well, now I know why. (grin)
It is a fine looking bird and one I wouldn't be scare to peg a protential Champion.
Oh, about inbreeding causing adnormal stuff. I think you have your info on inbreeding all wrong. The only stuff I have read so far about problems arising from inbreeding too much are: a disorder which makes the animal go into seizure attacks when scared (I have seen this happen once in my family of rollers. The bird is born with a band wing and when scared, it would just go into a seizure attack - grasping for air) and being genetically inable to handle diseases when it arises.
Why is being long down or short down important in a bird being born blind?
Thor
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Thor
12 posts
Aug 29, 2004
11:32 PM
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sorry, Scott...
I meant:
"After moving it to the kitbox, I notice it wasn't scared when i tried reaching out to pick it up. Well, now I know why. (grin)"
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