steve49
468 posts
Mar 18, 2010
3:52 PM
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i have 2 kinds of reds in my kits, and was wondering how they're described and what they're called. one hen has a light, horn colored bill, the other a darker bill. the lilght billed bird also has a more solid color red, whereas the dark billed has visible barring in the tail, and darker flights.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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wishiwon2
315 posts
Mar 18, 2010
5:19 PM
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Steve, Ill do my best.
There are 3 basic colors for pigeons. Ash red, Blue and Brown. Every bird is one of these 3, it may be modified so as to make it difficult to tell which, however.
Ash red comes in all patterns (check, bar and barless) It also expresses itself in spread which is commonly called lavender. Ash is dominant to blue and brown.
Recessive red is epistatic, meaning it covers up whatever is underneath. It is recessive, it requires both parent to contribute a RR gene to be fully expressed. In other words a bird could be gentically blue, but if is has 2 doses of rec. red it will appear red. Rec. red doesnt show pattern. Rec red will sometimes show as bronzing if only 1 parent is RR. Bronzing is rec red and whatever the base color is together on the same feather. It is usually more concentrated along the shaft.
The way to tell between them is as you already identified. Ash in pattern will show a bar on the tail (or pattern on bird), rec. red will not. Rec red is usually a deeper more rich red than ash.
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Jon
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donnie james
977 posts
Mar 18, 2010
6:40 PM
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hay jon,
well said.............i couldn't say it any better
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Donny James
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steve49
469 posts
Mar 18, 2010
7:44 PM
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Jon, thanx so much for your very excellent, and easily understood explanation. now, why won't the recessive red bird roll? LOL
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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donnie james
979 posts
Mar 18, 2010
7:54 PM
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hay steve,
please give me a private email at mrprc1@yahoo.com i need to talk to you in private..............
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Donny James
"Fly The Best And Cull The Rest"
"Saying One Thing;Doing Its Another"
"Keep Your Head Planted In The Sky And Wings Spanned Wide"
1996 Piedmont Roller Club Lifetime Achievement Recipient
Portsmouth Roller Club Participation Award System Recipient 1994 '96 '97 And 2000
2001 Limestone,Ohio Sportsman's Club Lifetime Member Recipient
2002Portsmouth Roller Club Certified Judge
2004Portsmouth Roller Club Lifetime Member Recipient
"Miss Portsmouth"NBRC/90/J311 Rusty Dun Check Self Hen First Bird To Get Certified In Portsmouth Roller Club History With A Score Of 53 Judge By Joe Roe The 1993 World Cup Winner And John Bender The 1994 World Cup Winner
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JMUrbon
990 posts
Mar 20, 2010
9:17 AM
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Well Steve I have to assume you aren't serious with that question. Every bird in my loft and I do mean every bird is carrying Recessive red. Not all show it but is runs very strong in my loft. Rec reds can roll with the best of them. Joe
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johnjay
35 posts
Mar 20, 2010
1:59 PM
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thanks Dave...
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I am never oppressed by the narrow confines of my existence.
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steve49
470 posts
Mar 20, 2010
2:11 PM
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Well Steve I have to assume you aren't serious with that question. Every bird in my loft and I do mean every bird is carrying Recessive red. Not all show it but is runs very strong in my loft. Rec reds can roll with the best of them. Joe
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J.M.Urbon Lofts
hey Joe, yeah, that was meant to be a joke. however, some birds take longer than others to come into the roll i've learned.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
732 posts
Mar 20, 2010
3:04 PM
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Steve...That all depends on one fact, The family.The color has nothing to do with the roll.JDA
hey Joe, yeah, that was meant to be a joke. however, some birds take longer than others to come into the roll i've learned.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
Last Edited by on Mar 20, 2010 3:04 PM
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Hammer_00
13 posts
Mar 20, 2010
5:43 PM
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steve its real simple you eather have ash red or recessive red. Ash red will have a grey tint on the wing, recessive red might show a blue tent on the rear. You could have a solid red pigeon which is still recessive red. If you put dilute to ash red you get creams. You put dilute to recessive red you get yellows.
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johnjay
36 posts
Mar 20, 2010
6:27 PM
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I hope you guys can read this
sorry about the bad pic
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Last Edited by on Mar 20, 2010 6:30 PM
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Hammer_00
14 posts
Mar 20, 2010
6:50 PM
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picture is pretty good. Its to bad there is'nt a simple booklet for begginers. I have had rollers 22 years and i still get confused. James Turner has helped me the most to understand things. If you could find his old videos it is worth your time. expesially for begginers. After 22 years i still enjoy learning more.
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