Anonymous
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Jul 13, 2004
8:41 AM
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Hey gentlemen; I was hoping to get some advise from you guys. Well I have been training a young kit of birds for about 2 months and the advise I need is that I can't keep them up for longer than 25 minutes. I would like to have them up for at least 45 minutes. Do you feed them right away when they come in or do you wait a bit before feeding them. I feed then as soon as they come in and I think that they have gotten a habit to come down early just to eat.
Well any info would be greatly apprecaited.
John
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Mother lode lofts
44 posts
Jul 13, 2004
9:14 AM
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John I allways wait 15-20 min.so that they don't think that just because they land they have instant food,some of these little bugers can be smart,in fact I leave the kitbox closed up intil they land.
Scott
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Anonymous
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Jul 13, 2004
9:39 AM
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Scott, What they do for 15-20 mins after landing? Do they hang out on kitbox roof or try to get on ground?
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Anonymous
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Jul 13, 2004
10:02 AM
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No John I "never" want them hanging out,I'll trap them in with a small handfull of bird seed,just enough to coax them in then they sit,if they don't come in with that then they are over fed,seems like you'll allways get a one. that will just look in an say "that aint steak LOL" not much you can do bout those and they will come in once you feed as long as they aren't overfed from the prior day.
Scott
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Anonymous
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Jul 13, 2004
10:02 AM
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No John I "never" want them hanging out,I'll trap them in with a small handfull of bird seed,just enough to coax them in then they sit,if they don't come in with that then they are over fed,seems like you'll allways get a one. that will just look in an say "that aint steak LOL" not much you can do bout those and they will come in once you feed as long as they aren't overfed from the prior day.
Scott
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Anonymous
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Jul 13, 2004
11:47 AM
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Ok Scott you do feed a little to get them kitbox. This will STILL make them come down early just to eat??? not sure what is the point here
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Anonymous
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Jul 13, 2004
12:40 PM
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LOL yea I suppose it can although they are far from actually being fed and they know it,it also allows for them to catch thier breath before being fed which is important to some exspecialy the harder workers once they start working,any bird that lands early is never coaxed in,John many time's when my kit or kits are that young they will land early,at that point I flag them back up,if they land again right away then I know it's time to call them in but many times they will do another 15-30 min. if they fly like that a second time then you know that they had plenty left in them and over time just do the time,the heat will also put the skids on them John,like I said earlier John I also keep the kitbox closed up though so that it does'nt look like an open door to a soup kitchen.
Scott
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Steve
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Jul 13, 2004
12:59 PM
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John there are 2 reasons a kit in training come down early.
1 is they are to fat or 2 they are weak and hungry.
You say you feed them as soon as they land.
Sounds like they are too fat but you didn't mention how much or what you feed them so can't make that call yet.
Feel them are they loose feeling as in fat?
If you have been flying them for 2 months they should feel like they are fly fit and bouyant like bulsa wood if you have been feeding properly and the right amounts to regulate the time.
You need to get a handle on them.
Begin breaking them down slowly with Milo and then build them up slowly to increase the time with more protein,
Wheat or peas.
Don't let them drink any water after the evening feed.
Some get sick on water and look like they are regurgitating.
Control is the key.
Later
Steve
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Anonymous
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Jul 13, 2004
2:00 PM
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John keep in mind that were talking near nothing as the trapping seed,in other words it's gone by the time most trap in,most just play follow the leader,don't forget that at that age they are just babies also,feed em all they want,cut back when they trap slow,and don't hurt them as they are in a very important stage as far as growth,and I never pull the water on my young birds,keep in mind that this is what works with "MY" birds,just use common sence and keep it simple,and agian flag if you need to.
Scott
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fhtfire
18 posts
Jul 13, 2004
3:49 PM
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Well, I am not a long time roller person to be giving advice...but I am in the middle of training new kits like you. My older kit is 2-4 months old (9birds) and the young kit is a bunch of squeekers that are just flying. I too had the same problem...boy would it get me frustrated...I adjusted the food ...I did everything. Then one day my son who is five was in my breeder loft looking at the babies while my younger kit was up....they started circling low like they do when they are ready to land...just at 26 mins..like clockwork. When one of my breeder cocks got out. He is an 03 bird who is a very good roller...he was pulled from a friends kit. So he was in shape and knew what to do. He got right up with the little ones and they followed him around for another 10 minutes. After a couple of days of letting this cock out to fly when the kit did...it magically kept them up. after the cock flew with them for a couple of days I pulled the cock and they stayed up..but like Scott says it may not work for you. I also chase them back up with a flag when they go to land and they stay up a little longer. But my birds only fly for about 15 to 20 minutes when it is hot out....they really want to come down. In the early morning when it is in the sixties the same birds with the same feed stay up for 45min-hour. The real young ones get all they want when they come in...1part wheat to one part milo to 1/2 part 28%pellets to help them grow strong. I start cutting back on the pellets as they get older. But Scott is right..they are babies let them eat...you have to build a good foundation before you build the house.
Paul
Last Edited by fhtfire on Jul 13, 2004 4:04 PM
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spintight
20 posts
Jul 13, 2004
9:30 PM
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well the best way to get your kit up flying better is to box them all up and take them down the road several hundred feet, and let them all out from a carrying cage behind a structure is preferred.
I garantee they will go up higher then ever and fly longer assuming that they are not starved to badly.
i don't do much with the feeding until I select a kit or they get thru their fall molt.
This molt period tells me they are maturing and will probably need less feed except for in teh winter they'll demand slightly more.
the comp team is more regulated however but we aren't talking about a comp team yet just getting your babies to fly longer.
It is best to not feed them much until all birds have landed. Then call them in.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
101 posts
Jul 13, 2004
9:38 PM
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Get a six foot pole and tape a black plastic garbage bag on it. When they act like they want to land, get crazy with that bag and I guarantee you they will fly. Call it Tough Love. LOL.
Brian.
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Anonymous
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Jul 13, 2004
10:10 PM
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Thanks guy's for all the info. I have feed them 1 cup of wheat in the begining, then went to 1 1/2 cups wheat with the same results. I have handled them and they feel fine. I fly them in the morning because here in Az it get really hot. Do you think it could be the weather "HOT". Well I'm gonna try waiting to feed them first them if that don't work I;ll flag them, maybe even both. Thanks
John
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spintight
21 posts
Jul 13, 2004
10:38 PM
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it's probably the feeding, the birds need more feed types then just wheat. I would suggest a 11% mixed with no popcorn.
They might be malnutriented, I would switch feed types to more of a mix.
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Siddiqir
56 posts
Jul 14, 2004
8:31 AM
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John, Another thing you need to look for is worm. There will be decrease in performance (in your case fly time) and birds would not feel good and would like to come down early. Food intake will increase and at some point you notice no matter how much you feed birds always looking for more. You actually not feeding birds but internal/external parasites if they do have worms
I am not sure if you feed peas. Feeding peas also give boost and energy to stay up for long time. Austrian peas is the best because of low fat contents
Watch your kit(s) closely. Most of the time there is one or two birds which bring down the entire kit and once they get seprated, kit will fly longer(In most cases look closely the oldest birds in the kit they are the trouble maker and youngers follow them)
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Last Edited by Siddiqir on Jul 14, 2004 9:57 AM
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anonymous
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Jul 14, 2004
11:43 AM
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does anydody know what it means when a bird appears to shake all the time? i've tried to medicate her although she still shakes, other than that she eats and dirnks just fine, but feels light and weak. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks
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Siddiqir
58 posts
Jul 15, 2004
9:32 AM
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My birds do the same thing but on really hot summer days. I think it is normal. They should do that on cold winter days but it is other way around. They look more fit and happy in winter as compare to summer.
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