Robert Pelham
36 posts
Jan 31, 2010
8:32 AM
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Hay buddy how's the birds been doing Doc L.D.did you see your red bar bald bead on rollerworld.ning.com. I stock to really nice cocks they were smokers.see is on a Van Copple blue bar he has a nice paper work.l need some on the hen.talk to you soon!Much respect!! Robert
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3757
1385 posts
Jan 31, 2010
9:22 AM
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Robert - The hen is down from 353/2224. 2224 was off of 272/291. The father to your cock was a perfect spinner for 25 feet with perfect style. A number 26 in the 30 point system. If you ever want to get rid of her let me know. The mother (a red bar hen) has been one of my key pigeons and producer of many good ones.
Here is a young sibling 2 1/2 months old brother to the red bar.
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2010 9:30 AM
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Robert Pelham
37 posts
Jan 31, 2010
9:37 AM
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I love it when paper rolls see has a lot of good years ahead of her. You know I love them Sparks birds.I still have a lot good cocks to use her on.you know I hate to get rid of a great bird but if you like use her next year you got it.much respect Robert aka P.J
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3757
1386 posts
Jan 31, 2010
10:01 AM
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Well, I will say it differently Robert. Paper means nothing but these birds all come from flown birds. 90 percent of the birds in the background were all flown and were super spinners. That is what makes the difference. If I, Herb or anyone else just went by paper they would be in bad shape and very disappointed.
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Robert Pelham
39 posts
Jan 31, 2010
10:25 AM
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I know that but there is the people that talk bad about papers I for like the history of the birds but it don't make them roll it is the trainer.that is good looking bird but I am using a sidekick phone for my computer I will put her sons on the other site I pulled them out the air last year one is a white side bald head about 30ft good kit bird and the other one is red bar bald head 40 to 50ft smoker both great.much respect Robert
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3757
1387 posts
Jan 31, 2010
11:01 AM
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Robert - One other note. People talk bad about paper and rightly so because of those bad apples who sold them supposedly great stock and it was BS. So, most are only acquainted with their surrondings and what has happened to them in the past. Another thing is that just because a bird is off of say 272 means nothing as it could be a piece of crap. I know some individuals who have awesome paperwork and I would not take a feather from them because all they have is some BS paperwork. But, if someone has the goods and the birds do what a person is looking for that is what counts. I think you get my drift. Yes, the genetics is what counts but they have to have it or the paper is only good for caca.
I appreciate the offer on the hen I bred but only if you wanted to get rid of her or did not like her. I still have siblings and the parents. Good luck and thanks for the feedback as it is appreciated.
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2010 11:03 AM
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
669 posts
Jan 31, 2010
2:45 PM
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Ron D ... As you know, not all paper has bad apples behind the paper,Patrick,Danny,John Walters,your friends Sparks, Cooper and many many more.JDA
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gotspin7
2632 posts
Jan 31, 2010
3:07 PM
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Good looking youngster Laron. I also agree, you have to be careful with pedigrees.
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Robert Pelham
40 posts
Jan 31, 2010
4:41 PM
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Sorry I was banding young and pulling birds I agree but some times a guy will get some good stuff and not no what to put it to are not know how to fly birds.it is 90% management of the birds in the air there a lot to know about training and management.just my way of thinking! Much Respect.Aka P J
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3757
1388 posts
Jan 31, 2010
5:16 PM
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Joe - That goes without saying. John Walters, Bill Patrick, Herb and Bruce were and are genuine individuals and sincere. But you have to admit, and you know the one I am speaking of, some of them ruined it for the truly sincere and nice individuals. That is why the man means more to me than the birds. What I mean by that is if the guy is a criminal and a robber do not think the birds are going to be much more. You can take that to the bank because he is going to lie and steal with everything he does because that is what he is. I have often wondered why individuals do not understand this. Joe, you remember champions on every line of the pedigree lol. That is why Bill Pensom rarely wrote anything past the parents or maybe the grandparents because he felt after that it was meaningless. I do agree however you will not find a greater gentleman like Bill Patrick, Bruce Cooper and Herb! Bill Patrick was nice the day I met him until the day he died. He was a true gentleman.
Sal - Thanks.
Last Edited by on Feb 01, 2010 6:51 PM
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
670 posts
Jan 31, 2010
6:13 PM
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Ron...Yes that is true,But the good guys did win.They all dropped him like a hot rock.JDA
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Robert Pelham
41 posts
Jan 31, 2010
6:58 PM
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Wazz up Doc.how is the PRC going and how can I get in I will get you guys flyin. Oh yea I also own Richard Espinoza dun hen see was #2 1999 Cal Clas at Kevens she has given me about maybe 12 great stock birds over the years she has a real nice paper lol much respect Doc.PJ
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Mongrel Lofts
640 posts
Feb 01, 2010
9:59 AM
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Laron,
Are you guys talking about the thief that stold Pensom's record books from Howard's house at the time of his death and would never return them to his wife Doris. She did get a copy after more than 20 years and some good work by a lawyer. I know what you mean about not being able to trust a thief. I'm just trying to figure out who or what thief it is you guys can't trust? There was a guy in WA that sold birds based on worthless peds that had champion written all over them. He recently passed away. Your not talking about him are you?
KGB
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rollerman132
358 posts
Feb 01, 2010
4:07 PM
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Now that was funny KGB LOL
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gotspin7
2638 posts
Feb 01, 2010
4:27 PM
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Guys, the man is dead let him be.
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