warbie
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Jun 25, 2004
6:26 AM
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I feel that some of what has been said on this board doesn't make any sense. If someone is just starting out, why not make sure that they are starting out with decent birds, to get the full feel of the joy of these amazing birds? I feel that by handing junk over to unsuspecting people just further damages our hobby. I have had guys out there who didn't know I raised rollers, try to sell me birds under the scam that there weren't any "true" rollers out there anymore. Give me a break. If we give or sell some young kid, or even older inexperienced fancier, a pair or two of quality birds, we are letting them see the true birds and letting them decide whether or not the roller raising fever is for them. Where I live, roller raising is all but dead. Sure, a couple of hours drive there are fanciers, but not in my immediate area. I have my own kids hooked, but that is it. I truly believe this mentality of, "Why waste or give good birds on new comers," is a huge mistake. If we aren't careful, it could eventually be the downfall of this truly wonderful hobby. If you have shit birds then either kill them or send them for meat. Don't justify selling them to some unsuspecting sucker as roller pigeons. Be honest and say, "Hey buddy, these birds are crap, but if you are truly interested, give me a call and come and take a look. I can set you up." I think in the long run you will be happy, because it will add to our sport. Also the next time he or she sees you at some function they aren't saying, “There’s the $#!*& that sold me that hawk bait.” In the end it will help our entire sport and for the few bucks you would have made, in the future it will help you because the new guy will say “Hey, there is the guy that started me out right and I am raising his family of birds. What a great guy!”
In closing, what I do when I give birds away, is ask that the person I give them to, try to start someone else off on the right foot. I also say my phone is always there for any questions. I do agree with the one post where you have a kit or older experienced birds that you are getting rid of. I think that an experienced kit would be a great asset to any beginner. The experienced birds teach the new guy. Selling late hatch birds is alright if you tell the guy exactly what they are. The only problem is if they aren't proven, they are still out there with your name on them. Birds are like kids, their habits reflect their parents and I wouldn't want my birds embarrassing me. I still think that the best policy is to be honest and try to treat the new guys as we would want to be treated. All of my birds that leave my loft as proven birds, have my bands with my full name number and area code. If they are soup, the bands come off. I am not afraid to stand behind what I have worked to raise. Roll On!!
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Russ
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Jun 25, 2004
7:27 AM
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Give them average quality birds but not the best (and definitely don't give them culls). If they are serious and work hard with the average birds then help them move up the ladder with something better. As much work as we put in to these birds to find our best, it doesn't make sense to give them away to a beginner who might not appreciate their true value.
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Dry Creek lofts
22 posts
Jun 25, 2004
7:47 AM
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I think that Russ is right as the intrest of some is short and when they start they are all pumped up about someting new, this is the same in all types of the pigeon hobbie.
I have started quite a few in the pigeon sport and only a few stayed with it, some just did not know how much work it was and some did not want to spend as much time as it takes to be good at it.
It can be a very expencive hobbie and untell you get in you do not know just how much it can cost to build your loft and kit boxes plus feed and this and that inside of the loft.
The same in race birds or show birds it dosent mater some of us just have to have our birds it's in our blood and you just can't get rid of it. I know I have gotten out of birds twice and soon was right back.
Keep them flying, Chuck.
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Steve
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Jun 25, 2004
8:46 AM
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Warbie,
No where in any posts do I see where it says ( " Sell or give newbies in the sport Culls ")
A cull is a cull and a person with Top of the line rollers will not give or pass on such because they have ddone their part to remove them.
I hope you get out and price the top of the line rollers and you will see that either you pay BIG Bucks for them or the fancier sees that you are serious and lets you have some good rollers to get you started.
Note I say "good" not the best he has.
This is not being selfish this is common sence.
Guys in our area that have been in the hobby a long time give and loan each other the best because everyone has proven themselves to be serious fanciers.
Get out to a fancier that has top of the line spinners and show him you want him to be your mentor and prove yourself.
You would be surprised what would happen.
Later
Steve
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Dry Creek lofts
23 posts
Jun 25, 2004
8:56 AM
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Steve here is where it is .
Anonymous
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23-Jun-04
6:21 PM ive herd many stories of back in the days everyone seemed to know of a great bird that so and so now we dont even hear that anymore so my question to you guys in the hobbie are rollers better now or are less of what they use to be
ive been around rollers for 25 years and we knew of guys
who were excellent flyers now there is a handful of guys
in the know how. have we let to many people have these birds and not instruct them on how to breed and fly them
or were we intimidated that now there is another person out with good birds that could challenge us. example at a flight in southern ca. a good flyer had an excellent kit of
birds while we watched the birds (((a young man was seen looking at some culls in a cage. so this person said to him to take them all as he was just getting started))). now what do you guys think of this habit of pigeon dropping because
that is what it is. its like letting someone do your dirty loundry in my time i have seen this over and over why can
we as true flyers say those are junk no good. but thats not
what he said as he told the unexpected person. and then turn around and told someone else a different thing. so
i dont understand why as we know that pensom and others after him said not to partake in this practices. so you have guys out there saying my birds are from so and so
how can we be proud of ourselfs as true flyers please discourage this practices of they only do harm in our hobbie
this is the way that our birds can be better than they were
in the old days. and if you cant help someone out with quality birds then dont and dont feel bad about it its just
that way to all happy flights. ddc.
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Warbie
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Jun 25, 2004
11:11 AM
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No where did I say give them your top birds, I said give them "decent birds", but you and I know that we have a lot of decent birds that we could part with. This mentality of I am not going to give perfectly good birds away to someone who is just starting out is only hurting our sport. If you gave birds to three guys and only one picked up the fever it is one more than would have been there if you hadn’t given birds away at all. Steve the term newbie is one I used but if you go back to the other post it says and I quote, “at a flight in southern ca. a good flyer had an excellent kit of birds while we watched the birds a young man was seen looking at some culls in a cage. so this person said to him to take them all as he was just getting started. now what do you guys think of this habit of pigeon dropping because that is what it is. its like letting someone do your dirty laundry in my time I have seen this over and over why can we as true flyers say those are junk no good. but thats not what he said as he told the unexpected person. and then turn around and told someone else a different thing.” Then in your post you stated: "Why give someone good rollers who might just have a passing fancy and ruin them and waste alot of good time and effort."I ask you how do you know it is going to be just a passing fancy? Then you go on in your post and say and I quote "Also if a person sells good rollers for a good price it is common sense they would take better care of them and try to improve them."I say this is a cop out you are just as likely to have the person who paid big money for his birds to quite as the guy who you gave the birds to. This is a hobby where you are either hooked or you are not. I keep track of the birds I give away or sell. If something happens that the person doesn’t want them I make arrangements to take them back. There is always someone wanting them. My point is crap is crap no matter who you are selling it to. If it isn’t good enough to stay in your loft then why try to sell it as a roller at all why not tell them these birds are my culls and be up front about what a cull bird is. Offer them better birds ( not your best but not your culls) or leave the person alone and let them find someone who will treat them right. Its like trying to get someone hooked on go karts. Then selling them one without the engine and saying push it around the yard for a few months if you decide you like go karting we’ll talk. They aren’t going to experience go karting they are just going to be tired and frustrated. They will go away mad and think go karting fans are crazy. Steve as for me going out to look at the prices of birds I am quite aware. The difference in price doesn’t guarantee the quality of the bird you are buying but you must rely on the honesty of the person who is selling it to you. Then unless you see the bird in the air and know what you are looking for you can still be taken for a ride . To all guys just starting out I recommend you go to a reputable fancier. Someone who has built a reputation and is willing to put their name on the line. Word of warning if you see a guy standing with a cage full of birds trying to sell them as rollers chances are you are buying crap.
My advice to anyone starting out is,Look for the guy who invites you to his loft and lets you see the birds fly. The guy guy who invites you to ask questions and come again. Do not think because you are paying an arm and a leg that you are buying the best.
Roll On!!
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Steve
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Jun 25, 2004
1:07 PM
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Warbie,
As to the gage full of culls the guy must have told him they were just that as i can understand as it is explained.
They should have not even been given away.
The guy should have disposed of them and the new guy should have known not to take them.
Your quote that we have to rely on the honesty of the man who we purchase the birds from is right on.
But we have to get to know the man, his birds and his record in the hobby.
If ya buy a pig in a poke it might not be a pig. LOL
Don't settle for less.
I have seen guys spend thousands for junk and later they find a man that has what they wanted all along.
I agree with about all you have said.
Later
Steve
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warbie
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Jun 25, 2004
2:19 PM
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Steve I agree with you on that. I think one of the best things you can d ois get to know the people you wanting birds from. One of my oldest friends has been an older genltemen that gave me birds 25 years ago. I am now giving him birds. Roll On!!
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nicksiders
61 posts
Jun 25, 2004
10:36 PM
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Give or sell birds that you would keep if you had the time and space. If they ain't good enough for you they ain't good enough for anyone else. Any bird you decide is not good enough for you is a cull.
Don't pass your junk on to others............its not good for our hobby. Don't give me the crap about all your hard work down the drain. I love doing this hobby and know that good birds will continue to produce good birds and as long as I have the breeders I want I can replace any good bird that I sell or give away. These beautiful birds of ours breed like rats..............don't they?
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warbie
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Jun 26, 2004
8:29 AM
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Amen I am glad to see that I am not the only who thinks this way.
Roll On!!
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Steve
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Jun 26, 2004
7:06 PM
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Nick,
You must either be very new to the hobby or not very old to make a statement about "Don't give me that crap about all the hard work put into a family of rollers."
Tell me that in about 30 or 40 years after you have worked and lost birds by sickness,preditors and many other things.
No one owes you anything and no man is going to take a lifes work on a family and whiz it away to some kid or newbie.
Most of the older fanciers think like I do.
I have talked many times to them at conventions and flys and they have the same conclusion.
We have set and talked about all the avenues people will take to pinch some birds off of a man.
Most people try to get something for nothing and let someone else do the work.
I and many others laugh when someone trys that 3rd grade psycology to pinch some rollers.
Later
Steve
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Anonymous
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Jun 26, 2004
8:17 PM
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STEVE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE JUST ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THATS AFRAID OF HOW YOU SAY IT NEWBIES.OR FUTURE COMPETITION. I NEVER ASK FOUR ANY THING FOR FREE I WILL PAY GOOD MONEY FOUR GOOD BIRDS SOME WILL TAKE THE GOOD MONEY AND GIVE YOU SHIT BIRDS.THINK BEFORE YOU TALK THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GET IN TO THIS DYING SPORT AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU KEEP THEM OUT KEEP GUYS LIKE THAT WILL KILL THE SPORT ROLL ON NOT OFF
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Warbie
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Jun 27, 2004
8:14 AM
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All I have to say is thank god I met the guys I did when I started out 25 years ago when I started out. These guys were old timers and they started me out with decent birds. Their door was always open and they always welcomed my questions. I was a kid and they never had the mentality that has been shown here. I don't care if someone is using my blooed line if anything I take pride in the fact that I have made many new friends while raising rollers and others are raising some of my birds. It sure comes in handy when you are giving birds back and forth. I guess maybe this attitude of screw the new guy is why this sport is dieng out. Most of the guys in it are selfish. I agree with nick when he said what does it hurt our birds are prolific breeders. If I can get a kid or adult hooked then it is all worth while. I also do agree tha their are crooks out there looking to buy birds and make a fast buck. But I find if you spend a little time with the people who are startin out you can weed out all or most of the con artists. Steve one question for you though. What do yuo do with your old kits and extra good birds?
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Dry Creek lofts
24 posts
Jun 27, 2004
8:54 AM
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Steve it sounds like you are one that would stan by and just watch a new person to the sport make all the wrong moves and not say anything to get him turned around.
The pigeon sport in all segments is not gaineing any ground becouse of flyers that think like this.
On the other side there others that will go the extra mile to help and guide a new person into the sport and will try to make sure that they have all that it takes to be a success this is what is none as a mintor in the sport as I have said in other posts am a long time pigeon person and was a pretty good racing pigeon flyer and had the privllage to fly with some of the sports real greats like Mr. Hank Vernazza And had the privlage to have Mr.Pet DeWeerd stay and grade my birds. These great flyers sold many birds for large somes of money but were very generious with there birds and would go that extra mile just help out a new flyer so that the sport would grow.It's not about money it's about permotoing a part of the sport and trying to do what ever it takes to see the sport grow. Just look around in your area, how many new flyers are in your club or regeon in the last five Years. then ask why? I resently went to a club meeting of a local pigeon club and there were three new guests there and all the old and I mean OLD flyers were telling them just what they needed to do and what it took, they also offered to give them some late hatches to start them into the sport and I personaly know that these birds were out of birds that they sell for hundreds of dollars.
I am talking about the right way to permoto the sport, I my area here in Centrial Calif. I have talked to and met some great flyers and have gotton some good advice and offers of good birds.I am 62 years old and I am pretty set in life I dont need to con anyone for good birds but becouse there are some great flyers in my area I have been offered them to start me out.
Every flyer needs to try to start as many flyers as he can so that the sport grows, you need to advise and guide or mentor as many as you can so this happens.
JUST THE WAY I FELL Chuck. Keep them flying
Last Edited by Dry Creek lofts on Jun 27, 2004 10:57 AM
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nicksiders
64 posts
Jun 27, 2004
10:51 AM
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Steve-In 30 years I will be 91. I have been in this hobby more than once and more than just a few years. I got into the hobby as a kid and was lucky to be nurtured by an old gentleman who I only knew as Frank in central Illinois. He started me with birds he was flying everyday as his own kits. He never gave me junk and as a result I had birds that could and would roll from the get go. I was awe struck. The only thing he made me do is learn how to care for and properly house the birds before he would give or sell any of them to me. Most of my life I have flown for my own enjoyment and the enjoyment of friends and relatives and at 61 I will start flying in competition as a result of many breeders telling me I ain't no pigeon man until I compete.............don't know what one has to do with the other, but from what I have seen in the WC I believe I can do well. The proof is in the pudding though, ain't it?
Junk are birds you don't want (they are not good enough). These are not the birds to give away or sell. These are the birds you cull. The birds you give away or sell are the birds you CAN'T keep.
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Dry Creek lofts
25 posts
Jun 27, 2004
11:06 AM
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Nicsiders, Hey glad to see that I am not the only OLD FART that will be trying to compete with this gereration. Right on keep them flying Chuck.
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nicksiders
66 posts
Jun 27, 2004
11:18 AM
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Chuck,
This is a great hobby we have chosen for ourselves and it is a hobby that even us old farts can still compete in.
Todays birds are as good as I have ever seen. It just seems there are more good birds than before.
There is a young guy in my town (Joe Urbon) who has some real, real good birds and I have a good example of what I have to have to compete. It helps that he is a darn good guy. I think this will be fun.
Keep them in the air,
Nick
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rollerpigeon1963
13 posts
Jun 27, 2004
11:43 AM
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I'm not taking sides here on either view. But all I can do is explain what I do in this case. I've been in the hobby since 94. I had to leave the hobby for a few years due to a divorce. I lost the major part of my birds but was able to keep 4 pairs to start back with.
Now even though I don't have a big name in the roller world since the divorce. I still believe I have some very good birds. I know what they can do and have seen what they can do. It's just me getting the grasp on the birds again to go further in the competition part of it.
Now about givining birds away. Even though I'm not back up to full swing with the birds. I have given my share of birds away. I have sent birds to Long Island, Missouri, and as far as the west coast. Without asking for a penny. i even pay for the shipping and box at times. Now the birds I sent were the birds I chose to keep for myself. And after 5 different shipments I haven't heard a word from none of the people I sent birds to. It's like they fell off the face of the earth. I asked each and every one of them to make sure they tell me how they did. What was there depth and when they came into it. I even sent proven birds to some of the guys. Knowing how deep they were and there style. But still no one has replied back to me about the birds. I have taken birds from my kit box to help others out with a certain family. And hope to hear how they liked them and still haven't heard a word. I have had guys come over and pick birds from the air and take them home and never hear again from them. there has been a case where a guy had some of my own birds and he offered there young back to me for a price. Saying they are 30 foot straight as an arrow and very frequent.
Then I had to sell a few birds for a good friend of mine on eggbid because he didn't have a computer. So a guy in illinois bought them and I tried telling him how to get the birds to fly. What he needed to do and how to take care of them. So this guy calls or sends me emails every few days. And has even attended a few competitions. And is hooked.
So what I'm trying to say is when we deal with people in cyber world it is hard to figure if they are true or just in one of those brain dead ideas. And it makes it hard to get a grasp on these people. But I do believe that there is some people that is true to the hobby and then there is the feather merchants that want to use the name of the family. So they can get more from there birds. But I will keep on helping when I can because I have had a few people help me. Like the Scott Campbells, Dennis Cowgils, & Richards Millers that has helped me along the way.
Just giving my 2 cents worth take it for what it is. But most of you have a good ideal what I'm talking about. As for the young new guy well at what expense will you quit helping him? How many birds does he have to loose to over flys or critters and such?
Thanks your good friend Brian Middaugh
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Steve
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Jun 27, 2004
11:44 AM
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Warbie,Chuck,Nick,
I too am about 30 years from 90 LOL
Warbie to answer your question, I give away many rollers each year.
I help everyone that has the desire to really want to make the sport their hobby.
I have guys in every aspect of the sport if I can.
I watch the people at flys that keep their heads in the air and thier mouths shut.
Some people like to talk a good game but don't want to put in the time and effort.
Chuck I have only partisipated in comps for the last few years myself.
When I retired I got serious about comps as I can put in the time now.
Joe Roe and my cousin John Bender both won the wourld cup and always wanted me to fly but I never had the time but I had just as much fun in the back yard when I could fly.
Nick I am not an old selfish fart but I do have to know you are serious if you want me to help you out.
The bloodlines I have came from world cup winning men who had to get to know me and see if I was serious.
They are particular who gets thier lifes work and I respect that.
Later
Steve
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Dry Creek lofts
26 posts
Jun 27, 2004
1:01 PM
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Steve and nick, If you help ten new guys and only one or two stay with it its worth it, at least you have kept the sport at even when you stop. I founded the Delta racing club in Antioch, Ca. and spent a full year of my personal time fighting with City Hall to get a new Ordanance so that pigeons could be kept in the City limits of Antiock. The club after twenty years is still going strong.This is whats it's all about weather it is race birds or show birds or rollers we as pigeon hobbiest need to do all we can to feather the sport that we take part in, in any way that we can.I did not mean to just sound off I was just trying to get a point accross.As for people like Scott and Joe Your right great flyers I have gotton a lot of good information from Scott and he seams like a great guy.
keep them flying Chuck
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fhtfire
7 posts
Jun 27, 2004
7:35 PM
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Well,
I am 58 years from 90 so I guess that I am one of the young bucks! lol. For those of you that do not know, I am starting out and building my first kit. As a person who is on the side of the fence...trying to build my first kit and just starting out. I just want to give my 2 cents. I would not have liked it very much if someone gave me shit birds. I would have been very frustrating. Most people that got crap birds would think that this is to hard of a hobby or would get so upset and just quit because they would feel that they got nothing out of there hard work. I was lucky enough that some nice people..Scott Campbell, Chuck Roe and Mort Emami started me out with some nice birds. I am just starting to see the results. When I got the birds from these individuals...they all broke out a little book.... found the band numbers and told me all about the birds they were giving me.... from the date it took the first flight, till it flipped the fist time and when it did its first true 15-25ft roll and how well it kitted. They even told me how its mother and father did and brothers and sisters and cousins...But the most important thing is that they did not bullshit me...they told me that the bird was not an A team bird.....but were real good birds and had the genes to produce some good spinners and some birds that I got were brothers or sisters to some A team birds. (As a new guy I did not expect to get the best birds from some of these breeders...I expected to get some genes from his best birds). I was invited to the homes of some of these guys and got the grand tour...I knew that these guys love there birds and would be proud to have some of there blood out there kicking butt. They also answer questions that I have. Most of the time when I call these individuals They not only answer my question but they answer questions that I would problably ask in the future. These are the type of guys that are going to help this hobby grow.
Before I knew any better I had bought some crap from an internet person who told me how good his birds were. Well, they were not even banded and they did not roll one little bit. I am not saying that an unbanded bird will not roll...I am just saying that seeing the local breeders and how maticulous they are about keeping good records...a bunch of unbanded birds would be hard to keep track of. The point is that I paid money for these crap birds and the best birds that I have were given to me. The crap made me feel bad...like I had been had...but the good thing is that I will never do that to anybody when I get good enough that people want my birds...they will get good ones!
Just wanted to let you know that giving somebody good birds is the best. I would have been very discouraged if none of my young birds rolled. But I will tell you this...when one of my young birds did a tight fast 15ft roll just 4 days ago at about 3 months old....I was like a proud father...I was the one strutting around my back yard with my chest puffed out..It really pumped me up. Made me feel like I got somthing out of my hobby. If the birds did not roll I would not feel like I achieved something. I hope you all get my point. Everyone is a gamble, but just like somebody said above...you can get three guys going, but if only one stays with the hobby...that is one more than you had before. I gave Mort a little e-mail to let him know how his birds were doing and the offspring. I talk to Chuck on the phone as well as Scott Campbell. So there are people that keep in touch with the ones that helped them out....and to those three...thank you so much!
Chuck....good posts...you old farts are the ones that keep us young farts into this sport by passing on your knowledge.
Paul Fullerton
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Anonymous
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Jun 27, 2004
11:47 PM
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steve i see you changed your mind a bit.when you see a kid or newbe you dont have to give or sell them birds. new guys like me are happy with helpful advise like how big to bilde single breeding pen or what feed you think is best. just little things like that help a alot. just dont make fun or be mean to kids or new guys.I dont know very maney people with rollers and the one i know i dont want to bother or bug them one of them gave me two pairs. the other gave me nine birds out of his A team. he said he was making room for this years birds i ask him how much he wanted for them and he said you can have them. I was blown away he dosent even know me. But i will keep in touch with the guys. im 26 years old and will be around for 60 more years and i will help any one who crosses my path. but i have a lot to learn first. I know you have wc birds and will most likley win it one day.just dont let big name birds make your head so big.
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Mother lode lofts
27 posts
Jun 28, 2004
3:28 PM
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Steve you old tight ass LOL LOL,I don't think that you guys are understanding Steves point,or maybe you are LOL,actually he's right on the money as far as my way of thinking and I can assure everyone that Steve would bend over backwards to help out the new guys same as I would and do,but I think the key is "the right new guys",if I get an email or a phone call out of the blue chances are I'll shine them unless they are local and then were going to have to get to know each other a bit before we talk about birds going out of this yard,I've gotten to know a few here where I felt that I wanted to help them out,thats right "I" felt like I wanted to help,like Steve said "they are our birds and we don't owe anybody that we don't know anything" first off myself personally I don't need the money and I have no desire to sell birds,so when I give somebody something it's a gift that I choose to give and it's as simple as that,Steve also hit on another good point and that is with the real fliers the culls are culled as they become culls so it's a pretty mute point,whats left may become culls but they aren't there yet,for Paul or anyone else I think what you'll find is that the "gifts" may turn out to be some of your best,and for those that think that this is a dieing sport,think again it's anything but,in fact it's growing rapidly,and for those that don't like this post,well I don't care because these are still my frigging birds to do as I choose with and the bottom line is if I even have an inkling that somethings going to go to waste then nothing will be handed over,I don't put all of this work into my birds to see em pissed off into the wind,and thats the way it is here,like it or not.
Scott Campbell
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Steve
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Jun 28, 2004
6:19 PM
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Scott,
I'm doing good and thanks for asking. LOL
LOL
If it wasn't hooked on I would have given it away long ago.LOL
You know and I know the only one tighter than you is the guy in Lumby BC.
LOL
Steve
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nicksiders
67 posts
Jun 28, 2004
9:27 PM
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Decent birds will make them serious (the new breeder). In shooting as decent rifle or handgun will make them serious. On and On and On.
Give 'em good birds or no birds at all. Be either hot or cold (I read this somewhere.)
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Anonymous
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Jun 28, 2004
9:52 PM
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What is considered a good bird?
A better bird?
A best bird?
Describe as best as you can please. Thanks
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Another Anonymous
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Jun 29, 2004
2:19 PM
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Anonymous,
Don't settle for Good-or Better.
Only settle for BEST.
H style at least or A Style
About 2 times a minute or 3
Straight back to the kit.
And with a depth they can handle and get back to the kit with to set up for a break with the kit.
Now if your birds are not doing this as most in the hobby are not then go to the birds you have that can help you move in this direction and breed toward the best.
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Anonymous
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Jun 29, 2004
3:38 PM
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Please recommend a few lofts where 'H' or 'A' style rollers are the norm instead of the other stuff!!!
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Rollerman
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Jun 29, 2004
6:34 PM
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If you can read quality and style in the air you can see good H and A rollers in most lofts from time to time if they are not just raising junk.
The guys who are usually in the top positions in the World Cup and Fall flys are predominatly housing these type.
Not to say there are not good style birds other places.
Get out and watch all the kits you can and it gets easier to spot these kind of spinners.
No one should start out with spinners of lesser quality and style because it saves alot of time.
I won't promote any one mans rollers.
Do your home work before you take any home.
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nicksiders
68 posts
Jun 29, 2004
7:40 PM
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A good bird is one that the breeder would keep. He gives away or sells them only because he does not have the space or time for them.
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J_Star
13 posts
Sep 16, 2004
6:21 PM
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When I was looking to start out, I called and e mailed people who were selling rollers on the internet since there are nobody is near by where I live that raises them. Someone replyed to me with an e-mail that have a pair for $150. All that for couple of birds that I did not see flying. Anyway I was lucky enough to call Danny Horner from N. Carolina. I found about him by a chnace through the N. Carolina Agriculture website. When I called him and talked with him, I felt his honesty and integrity. I bough squeekers from him. Those birds never been flown before, therefore, I know it is a chance that I am taking. When he told me that his birds are excellent kitters and can roll, he was not lying. His prices were really reasonable, at $20 a bird and he supplied the boxes and gave me two extra birds. I later found out from this site that Danny is a very good breeder. He told me that his birds are from the Jaconette blood line. They are excellent. For all new people I would recommend Danny to them anytime. You would not feel you were had with his birds.
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redneckhippie15
10 posts
Sep 16, 2004
7:00 PM
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Ok
I can see this is gonna be as good as the " true b`ham "
thread.
I can relate this back to you from the opposite perspcetive and my personal opinion.
My brother is into show rollers and was the leading racer in this area for years. We raised some exotics and racers in school and I went into the service and kinda lost interest.My brother asked me if I was interested in some rollers at our thanksgiving dinner.On the Fourth he came over for a bar b que and asked me again stating he had a kit box as well. I had been thinking about it anyway so I agreed. A week later I was the proud owner of six beautiful birds.Already possessing some knowledge of pigeons it did`nt take long for me to land here.
In this place I have learned more than I ever knew about rollers.
Anyway, My brother lined up the birds for me and I have`nt yet seen the donor loft. They were fledged fully and ready to fly but had not been were unproven.How was this breeder to know if these were the birds he had been lookin for his whole career? The point being this. From what I have gleaned from your posts I would be glad to have almost
ay of the culls from most of your lofts. I know this from the stock you guys have.you know that his birds are the crem de la crem. A guy that culls 180 birds a year or so must know exactly what traits he is looking for.
So the rest are trash.
One mans trash another mans treasure
I will be eternally grateful to the anonymous donor that started me back into pigeons.
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redneckhippie*blue dot lofts*
Last Edited by redneckhippie15 on Sep 16, 2004 7:18 PM
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JUrbon
3 posts
Sep 17, 2004
1:47 PM
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Well Mr. Chippee, I would not want to waste your time or effort with culls and further more neither should you. A cull is a cull for a reason. I have had these birds for 25 years and listening to all these ( Old Timers) comments in the earlier post it stands to reason that Crap is crap and that is why we flush it down the drain.If there was a market for it sombody would have already figured it out. It is very simple if it isnt good enough to go into my stock loft then I wont sell it as a stock bird. I may give it to somebody if it a good bird but a cull dies at my house as well as they should at yours. Keep em flyin. Joe
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nicksiders
80 posts
Sep 17, 2004
10:25 PM
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Way to go Joe...............
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