Anonymous
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Jun 23, 2004
6:21 PM
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ive herd many stories of back in the days everyone seemed to know of a great bird that so and so now we dont even hear that anymore so my question to you guys in the hobbie are rollers better now or are less of what they use to be
ive been around rollers for 25 years and we knew of guys
who were excellent flyers now there is a handful of guys
in the know how. have we let to many people have these birds and not instruct them on how to breed and fly them
or were we intimidated that now there is another person out with good birds that could challenge us. example at a flight in southern ca. a good flyer had an excellent kit of
birds while we watched the birds a young man was seen looking at some culls in a cage. so this person said to him to take them all as he was just getting started. now what do you guys think of this habit of pigeon dropping because
that is what it is. its like letting someone do your dirty loundry in my time i have seen this over and over why can
we as true flyers say those are junk no good. but thats not
what he said as he told the unexpected person. and then turn around and told someone else a different thing. so
i dont understand why as we know that pensom and others after him said not to partake in this practices. so you have guys out there saying my birds are from so and so
how can we be proud of ourselfs as true flyers please discourage this practices of they only do harm in our hobbie
this is the way that our birds can be better than they were
in the old days. and if you cant help someone out with quality birds then dont and dont feel bad about it its just
that way to all happy flights. ddc.
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Steve
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Jun 23, 2004
6:58 PM
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Pigeon dropping.
That is a new term and a good one.
I have been around pigeons since 1957 or 47 years.
I do think there are just as good or better roller flyers now as back then.
The sport has progressed and I see the spinners have been improved as well.
Well you can call it pigeon dropping if you want but I see it as letting a new person have some rollers to see if they will stay with the sport.
Why give someone good rollers who might just have a passing fancy and ruin them and waste alot of good time and effort.
Also if a person sells good rollers for a good price it is common sence they would take better care of them and try to improve them.
I don't promote selling either.
The best you will ever have will be the ones given to you or the ones you develope through time and effort.
Just my take:
Steve S.
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nicksiders
56 posts
Jun 23, 2004
8:23 PM
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I think today's good rollers are as good as they have ever been andf I think there is more good ones than before.
I also feel we should never, never sell or give away junk. Junk creates more junk. If the person does not fly them then what difference does that make to you or anyone. The real "sin" here is to pass your "junk" on.
Junk are birds that you wouldn't have.....you need to give away or sell the birds you can't have.
Sometimes we breeders begin to sound like used car salesmen.
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Dry Creek lofts
20 posts
Jun 24, 2004
5:22 AM
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I am just getting started in rollers but I have had race birds for over fifty years and have had a few tumblers and have had some of the grates in the sport give me birds when I was just starting out. I have given some world famious birds to young ones just starting out in the hobbie and it is a fact that some never stayed with them, there are the ones that did and you fell real good when they are a success at the sport.
Sence I started building my roller loft and kit box I have had alot of good advice from some of the flyers hear on this site and outhers in the sport that I have met and been offered birds from them I think that it is a wonderfull thing when someone offers a new commer a few good birds and some good advice on how to fly them.
When you give birds to someone you should not worrie about what if they beat me at a fly becouse everyone will train there birds in a differant way and all birds will fly in a differant way becouse of this, I always felt good when someone beat me with my own birds that just ment my birds were good. Thanks to all for all the help and keep them flying Chuck
Last Edited by Dry Creek lofts on Jun 24, 2004 6:40 AM
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Mother Lode
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Jun 24, 2004
1:12 PM
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DDC good post,and I agree and disagree,normally about this time of year I'm moving out whats left of last years birds to make room (except those that are in the A team)whats left are birds that are either not in the roll,short or infrequent,all problem birds were culled along the line,these kits are perfect for new guys as they can learn to manage a kit with them and on top of it there's allways a few that pan out,I might also add that most of these are late hatches and I have never not told anyone exactly what I know about a birds that I have handed them,as far as giving up the goods to new guys,first they have to proove themselfs and unless I am reasonably sure that the birds won't be wasted I won't hand any over and thats just the way it is.
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Dry Creek lofts
21 posts
Jun 24, 2004
2:14 PM
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Hay scott I have given late hatches to new flyers that is not what they were talking about as I understud it. what we were talking about were culls and to me culls are just that culls.
There are a lot of super birds in late hatches and hold overs witch have not been flown or as you say have not proven themselfs.
I dont think you or any one that wants to permote the sport would give culls to someone, I dont think you should give them your best flyers eather dont get me wrong. Chuck
Last Edited by Dry Creek lofts on Jun 24, 2004 2:55 PM
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nicksiders
59 posts
Jun 24, 2004
8:28 PM
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WARBIE-you are absolutly right. A beginner should have available to him some pretty darn good birds. Nobody should be given junk except the Chinese Cafe owner or the garbage man
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Warbie
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Jun 25, 2004
5:54 AM
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i was in a hurry and had to go to work last night but i'd like to say I do agree with the one post where you have a kit or older experienced birds that you are getting rid of. I think that an experienced kit would be a great asset to any beginner. The experienced birds teach the new guy. selling late hatch birds is alright if you tell the guy exactly what they are. The only problem is if they are proven they are still out there with your name on them. Tgey are like kids there habits reflect the parents and I wouldn't want my birds embarrassing me. I still think that the best policy is to be honest and try to treat the new guys as we would want to be treated. All of my birds that leave my loft as proven birds have my bands with my full name number and area code. If they are soup the bands come off. I am not affraid to standbehind what I have worked to raise. Roll On!!
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