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Paul Fullerton
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May 07, 2004
10:40 PM
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I have a little blue bar that would roll very nice. 15 to 20ft. Very tight and fast. He would always snap right out of the roll. He is a 2003 bird. I have been flying him for about 3 months. I was just getting ready to throw this young cock into my breeding pen with this nice little black hen that rolls fast but only about 10ft. The last two tims he flew..he rolled down. The first time he rolled down, he was coming in to land and rolled about 35ft and hit the ground. I thought that it was a fluke. I rested him for about 4 days...he was not hurt. The second time I put him up he went up and rolled just fine the first two rolls..just like he always did..then bam...he dropped a good fifty feet and hit a patio cover. It messed him up this time.....That was about a week ago. He appears to be just bruised..he limps a little bit but is eating and cooing but he his lathargic. He is coming back to good health. Any ideas on what happened to him...I just put him in the breeding loft yesterday with this black hen...no more flying for him. I just want to know if I should breed him. He has been a firecracker...then the last two times...were not good. I could tell he was trying to pull out of the spin when he did the last roll down. After the roll down he did make his way to the kit box and trapped....A hawk did come into the area right before the last roll down...you think that the hawk stessed him. My question is ...should I breed him? He has been so damn good before the two roll downs. (To Scott....I do not fly my breeders anymore!) I took your advice. Now that I have my new kit that I am training. I had the blue bar in the kit to help the young birds work...He keeps the young birds up, and they tail ride when he rolls.) The young birds are about 2.5 months old.
Thanks,
Paul Fullerton
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rollerpigeon
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103 posts
May 07, 2004
11:20 PM
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Hey Paul, you might try resting him up for a week or more. Let him recover completely. The next time you let him out, make sure the other birds are flying at a good height and then hand toss him. Do this a few times. If he continues to have appointments with the ground, he is showing a lack of control and would be considered a rolldown.
Sometimes the natural urge to roll is too much for the bird to handle. It is possible the situation with the hawk created additional stress and it put him over the edge.
But also curious, you indicate that you have been flying him for 3 months, what was he doing before that? How old is the bird? Is it possible the roll is stronger than his ability to control it due to lack of flying time and experience as a flyer?
As for breeding, you run the risk of producing more of the same. However, if the other birds in this family are stable rollers, then you could try breeding from him.
I consider "control" one of the 5 primary traits I describe in "How To Breed Better Rollers" publication. Without it, any deep roller runs the risk of rolling down everytime it is let out. Even shallow rollers can bump when landing if they do not have control. Lack of control tends to eliminate the deeper ones much quicker than the short rollers.
In my opinion, a bird with control seems to have a "sense" that any performance that might get it hurt is to be avoided.
For example, I have deep rollers that when they come in to land appear to be very aware of close objects and tend to not roll at all or if they do, will roll (more of a tumble)very short as if doing it intentionaly to lose altitude in order to land. I call this control. They control the roll, the roll does not control them!
In any event, experiment with breeding and see what happens...most will probably say to cull it. I would not disagree with that, but there still might be hope for it.
No one can predict exactly what will happen but my own experience says the bird will probably continue down this path he is currently on. FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Siddiqir
48 posts
May 09, 2004
6:19 PM
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Paul, I am not an expert however as being flying rollers for 3 years I learned that roll down is a "CULL". Putting them in stock pen is not good idea.
Also if you watch birds closely specially deep ones most of them rolls more or less same length...if they are flying high enough it is ok but if they are not then it is dangerous situation(Cull).
The good roller should judge-make adjustment accordingly before it come to roll and exit roll properly before hitting ground/roof/sign boards..etc...
Control, I believe come from Gene, I seen very stable rollers but they also come to roll down(May be after 3 years of flying) and if they hit once that is all they will continue to do that and again Cull
You can do experiment, pair up roll down with some very short length roller(good if high frequency) or even flipper and see what you will get. The problem is it will take really long time to prove what you really getting because you may see birds are coming out stable but after flying them for year or so they will start doing roll down because it come from gene on the other hand birds may get gene from non-roll down mate and possible out come of nice rollers with good control. I would say it 50/50
Hope that helps
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Birmingham Rollers
Last Edited by Siddiqir on May 09, 2004 6:22 PM
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Anonymous
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May 09, 2004
7:00 PM
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even the best blood will produce culls,may be a phase though,keep flying it,if it continues cull it
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