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Freddie
18 posts
Mar 31, 2004
4:17 PM
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Well the neighbors cats, they will lay on top of the kit box and training pen to sun themselves. They don't seem to get after the birds, But I worry they will scare them. What would be a good way to cure this? We chase them away but that only last a little while, and only works when we are there to catch them.
Fred
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Mother Lode Lofts
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Mar 31, 2004
5:18 PM
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Freddie I have cats but they were trained to stay off the lofts with a daisy BB gun,it just stings them and wont hurt them and they learn quickly,after they know what it's about you can make the sound with your mouth and they'll hook it out of there,and soon they will just quit,my cats are no problem where the birds are concerned and as long as they aren't aggressive towards the birds, the birds will get used to them,a "good" cat is an asset around the loft plus they are territoral and will run other cats off.
just my opinion
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Paul Fullerton
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Mar 31, 2004
8:46 PM
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I have a couple of things that worked for me. If you are friends with your neighbor who has the cats. Ask the neighbor if they can bring the cat to your house. You enter your loft with the owner holding the cats paws and let a hen sitting on eggs wack the cats face a couple of times with her wing. It always worked with my neighbors cats. They would not go near the pigeons again. I mean let the cat have it Whap Whap Whap right in the kisser! but make sure the owner has the cats legs so the paws are back. Another thing that worked for me was a hot wire. Go to your local feed store and ask for a electric fence box for livestock. Just get the cheapest one you can find or maybe borrow one from somebody. Put a electric fence wire around the roof of your loft just low enough that the cat has to go under it...well, the first time that cat gets wacked with the hot wire...it will not return. It will not hurt the animal because the electric fence power plant pulsates every couple of seconds so it will not let an animal get locked onto it...it will make the cat scream. I am having an issue with my dog right now jumping up on my coop...well, I am picking up the electric fence power plant this week...trust me my dog will stay away! Its like a toddler with a hot wood burning stove..they only touch it once! When I had pigeons as a kid...my dad did the hot wire thing to our yellow lab dog...I kid you not after she got hit once she would not go near the loft...he actually hung a steak on the hot wire and that dog would not go near it....My dad was just proving to me how good it works. Both ways have worked for me. My neighbors , when I was growing up brought there cat over and let it get wacked in the face a couple of times...and it worked.
Thanks,
Paul
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Zinger
11 posts
Apr 01, 2004
4:32 AM
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First things first, DO NOT SHOOT THE CAT WITH A B.B GUN!! That is the best way to have the police or animal control come to your house with expensive fines, And piss-off your neighbors, Remember it could be legal to shoot your birds but not legal to shoot the cat, and if you start it you deserve it. What Mother Lode said is bull crap, A b.b gun can break and enter the skin and very easily take out an eye. DON'T USE A B.B GUN!!
Everything Paul said is true, I'd go with the eletric fence zapper, works when your not there or don't see the cat. I have cats that have no interest in the birds, But all kinds of interest in chasing away stray cats, Kinda like the fight fire with fire saying, But it's fight fur and claws with fur and claws.
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Mother Lode Lofts
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Apr 01, 2004
6:35 AM
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BB daisy gun(the cheap lever kind thats been around for ever) works fine and is harmless,first off your neighbors cat has no bus in your yard,personally I don't have a problem with Neighbor cats,but I have trained many of my own and it works well,Zinger if it wasn't as good as of a training tool as I said I wouldnt have posted it,and it's better than a 12 ga with #4 shot which is how most would deal with it!!!!!,your in left field as far as common sence goes again buddy
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Mother Lode Lofts
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Apr 01, 2004
6:58 AM
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Paul good post,I think that my concern with a hot wire on the loft roof would be that your may also train some birds to stay off it also,but with that idea in mind and if I lived in town with a fenced back yard maybe running the hot wire at the top of the fence around the entire yard would do the trick,personally I prefere a good cat of my own as they help with critter control plus they wont put up with other cats in thier territory,my cat follows me everywhere and has even ben locked up in the breeder loft by mistake,I found her curled up in a breeder box that had a hen sitting on eggs she was taught a long time ago that pigeons are off limits and now could just care less about them,the other cats know also to stay off the roofs and that the birds are off limits,my biggest concern with them on the roofs is scaring up youngsters that are put out before they know thier wings
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Siddiqir
21 posts
Apr 01, 2004
9:05 AM
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Great post Paul. I also have similar problem but not just cat but also rat (same size as cat). Rat only comes after sunset and neighbor cats are around all day. Cats did harm and scare my birds and I believe rat come to hunt for food. I used to through left over grains in backyard so other wild birds can get fed. Now because of this rat I stopped doing that and make sure there is no grain in back yard
I am not sure how this hot wire thing will work and how much it cost but very interested to try it. If you can give us more details it would be really helpful. I would like to install it at entry point.
Scare thing do work for cats but only when I am in backyard other time when I am not there they just come and scare birds and look for an opportunity to attack them.
Thank you, -Rauf
Last Edited by Siddiqir on Apr 01, 2004 11:27 AM
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Zinger
12 posts
Apr 01, 2004
9:25 AM
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Fred I forgot to mention one problem with the eletric fence, In order for it to work your subject (cat) needs to be grounded, If the cat is standing on a wet wood fence, stone wall or moist earth it will get zapped, But if it's on one of the new plastic fence or very dry wood or even very dry dirt it won't work, a bird will land on a hot fence wire and nothing will happen if it's not touching a ground wire, You might have to run two wires next to but not touching each other,one hot and one ground, If your roof is metal on wood you can ground the whole roof with one wire and run the hot wire around the top roof and if anything touches that hotwire and roof at the same time..HELLO! LIGHTS ON!!!Critter be-gone.
What I said may sound tough and exspensive but it's really not, You can run a few wires all the way around your loft for less then 70 bucks including everything you need. It's uses next to no electricity, I have a fencer for my horses that will charge 100 miles of wire and it costs less then a dollar a month to run 24-7. You won't make your neighbors or law enforcment upset with you or take a chance of maiming or killing some kids beloved pet. My choice is the hot wired fence. Remember a b.b gun will only work if your there, a fence will work against all animals all the time.
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Zinger
13 posts
Apr 01, 2004
10:21 AM
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Rauf, They work very well and simple, First you buy a "Fence charger" that is a box you hang on the wall and plug into your household eletric outlet (110 volt here in the states), On the box there is two more connections, one "hot" and one "ground". The ground you do just that, Ground, easy, take a steel pole and hammer it into the ground, best to hammer it into ground that stays moist all year, Connect a wire to that pole and to the ground connection on the box and the grounding part is done.
Next hot wire, The hotwire can be insulated (plastic covered) so you can touch it and run it places like threw walls/underground, anywhere you want, when you get to a area you want protected you cut the insulated wire and splice it to a bare un-insulated wire and run that bare wire threw ceramic or plastic "Insulators" to hold it away from anything grounded. Anything that touches ground. You must keep that bare wire from touching anything except the insultors that hold the wire where you want it, Anything touches that wire and something grounded will get zapped.
Grain and food places use eletric fence to keep rodents out for many reasons, A rat killed by posion will go someplace to die then stink and decay, (maybe into the grain)or a rat might get wise to the posion or not even come across it, But when a surrounding floor or fence is charged a rat will run away and not be able to ever enter.
As to cost, My 100 mile charger was 120 bucks,you need a 1/2 mile charger for about 30 bucks,15 bucks worth of wire and another 10 bucks for two bags of plastic insulattors and your ready to go to work. They use like no eletricity at all to run and you can even buy ones that are solar powered.
Some people even say that eletric fence is cruel,I'm not one of them, I lol every time I see something or somebody get zapped..lol.
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Siddiqir
22 posts
Apr 01, 2004
12:14 PM
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Zinger, great post. I got most of it digested however there are few puzzle parts. I will take few pictures of backyard and post it here, this will help Q and A on layout hot wire installtion. Thanks again, -Rauf
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
50 posts
Apr 01, 2004
1:12 PM
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First of I agree that electric fences work great. I grew up on a ranch and that is all my dad used. And all you have to do is be standing on the ground and touch the wire and you'll get a good jolt. Don't take the dare to try and pee on one either!!! As for the BB gun, don't be a pussy and think the world will come crashing down on you. What the hell is your neighbors cat doing in your yard hanging on the wire of your lofts anyway? It's called protecting your flock, shoot the sumbitch! I use a .177 cal 1,100 fps rifle, which will only kill um if you drill um in the head, I ususally aim for their ass. If you are the sensitive type that worries about every piss ant detail and think Big Brother is there watching your every move, then by all means try the tree hugger route. But don't think that giving the trespassing property of someone else a solid Thwap in the ass is going to put you in peril. If your neighbor isn't willing to control his pets, then by all means control them for him...and get a dog and teach him to hate cats. Works good for me. Of course it would be kind of fun to watch stuff get the shit shocked out of it too, then I can shoot it in the ass when it is running away!
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Anonymous
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Apr 01, 2004
1:42 PM
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Hey,
The cat has no business in your yard.
As Al the (Whip) Miacus says:
Use the Whip it wont come back but a time or 2.
Later LOL LOL
Steve S.
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Swamp Fox
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Apr 01, 2004
2:00 PM
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I have horses in an electric fenced in pasture. They all touch it once. I have never seen the same horse touch the wire again! Also, I have yet to see a cat or dog in my pasture. My top and bottom wires are hot. By the way, I got zapped once. Don't think I will be doing that again! It knocked me on my butt. Ouch!!! The BB gun doesn't sound bad either. Have you ever had a stray cat in your loft? Not a good sight. Either way will work.
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Boy was That dumb
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Apr 01, 2004
3:59 PM
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When I was a kid I got a lesson in electric fences. It was cool to wear a chain with a large madelion on it then. Well there was snow on the ground and a bunch of us were going sleding. The best hill was behind a horse pasture. The fence had two wires we all were climbing between the wires, Making sure not to touch them. As I was climbing through my chain fell out of my coat, it hit the wire and made two loops around the hot wire. Believe me I know why animals won't get close to an electric fence, LOL.
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Zinger
14 posts
Apr 01, 2004
4:47 PM
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To all the cat shooters, You know I read your posts and I'm confused. Your mad at someones beloved pet because it's harming your beloved pets, Your pets are allowed to fly over there property/house and poop on there house, cars, pools, outdoor furniture etc. etc. etc. But as soon as you see there pet you shoot it?
Laws differ from state to state, County to county, Township to...Well you understand, Laws Differ. Most places in The States you are not allowed to shoot someones pet cat, If it's on your property or not It's most likely illegal. A cop/humane enforcement officer called by the neighbor, cat owner, will confront you. If your a liar you could most likely get out of it for lack of proof, evidence. I try to live my life telling the truth.
So you shot the cat and got away with it, No fines. Ever wonder how upset your neighbor that you have to live next to is? Maybe they are like you, Have a problem, Kill it. So they sneak in and feed your pets some poison. Burn down the loft,acid to the bath water. The list is endless. Maybe they do things the legal way, They call there lawyer, He cries Pain and suffering!!, Your legal fee's just to defend yourself will amaze you. Only people to benefit will be the lawyers.
Here in Pennsylvania where I live it is illegal to shoot someones cat But it's legal to shoot pigeons, I tell you what, If I knew you shot my cat, Dead or just a "harmless" shot, I'd call my buddies and have a pigeon shoot every time you flew. We shoot "sporting clays" quite regularly, Your birds would fall until I was sure you understood not to hurt my cats.
I prefer to use my intelligence and compassion instead of instinct to kill, I feel less barbaric when I do. I'd rather put up a hot wire fence or think of a different system/method besides hurting, maiming and killing someone elses beloved pet, Then after all the work was done, Have your neighbor over for a beer and watch your birds roll and his cat run. But thats just me.... Roy...A.K.A...Zinger.
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Mother Lode Lofts
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Apr 01, 2004
5:37 PM
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Roy I think that the problem here is that you have a few true Roller heads on here and we dont take our birds lightly and we will protect them anyway necessary ,I assume that if you are in an area where they can shoot your birds that you are also in an area where you can protect your birds,most states (if not all) allow you to protect your pets and livestock,where I am here you can shoot any animal doing harm to your pets or livestock,from Mountain Lions to dogs it does'nt matter,in fact there's a county sign on the road warning dog owners that thier dogs running free on private property they can be shot by the property owner,cats don't even equate into the picture,like I stated earlier I use a daisy BB gun to train my own cats and NO it doesnt break the skin or mutilate them thats just ignorance on your part,as for the electric wire I can assure you that you'll draw more heat from zapping thier Kitty and I think that once Zapped the whole neighborhood will know it LOL,pop em with a BB gun and no one even knows it,but around here if a cat that doesn't belong to me actually takes a bird the BB guns will be put away and cat will kill no more,garanteed,the bottom line is no ones animal has "any" business encroaching onto your property
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Paul Fullerton
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Apr 01, 2004
5:41 PM
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You are right about the cat shooting law. In California you can't shoot a cat that is on your property. Cats are considered roamers. Meaning that an owner can't just lock up a cat in the back yard..it would go crazy. Just like an owner of a pigeon can't control were it lands. Now you can shoot a cat if it goes into your coop and kills your pigeons. It is like a dog killing a neighbors chickens. You have a right to kill it. Once an animal has tasted blood it will not stop. Same thing with sheep...if a dog kills your sheep and is on your property you are able to shoot it. So if a cat is just laying on your coop...don't shoot it. But if it gets in the coop...blast that SOB!. I have only killed one cat in my time. It was a wild cat and got in my coop and killed 6 birds. I shot the cat and took some photos of my birds that were dead. Took photos of were the cat was when I shot it. Then I dropped the cat off at the animal cops place, showed the photos and they disposed of the cat. Check with your local laws first...but I believe that a cat has to actually kill one of your birds while the bird is in your loft or on your property. Also, You are not allowed to kill a pigeon if it has a band on its leg. If their is a band that shows that someone owns it. I had to have a talk with my neighbor about that. He has some barn pigeons that are nesting in one of his eves and he wants to shoot them. I just told him that make sure that it is not banded or he will be in big trouble. It is the law.
Thanks,
Paul
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viper
17 posts
Apr 01, 2004
6:31 PM
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ther is nothing worse than somebody else's animals in your yard.Kind of like a dog that barks all day and all night it is not just the dog that needs the crap kicked out of it.If you have animals take care of them.I got so fed up with it I put up 8 ft chain link all the way aroud my yard not just to keep others out but mine in I don't worry about horses or dogs on the road to crash somebodys car or worse.I came from the sticks so this was always a worry.Also a Irish Wolfhound in back yard works the best any thing cross's over that don't belong only does it once.Blue Heelers work also but are harder on the birds and your own cats.
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Zinger
15 posts
Apr 01, 2004
7:01 PM
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The first post on this thread was not asking about wild dogs, mountain lions or even a neighbors bird killing cat, He asked about "His neighbors cat sunning itself" and that was it.
I have shot many coyotes, racoons and red fox here that was messing with my birds, cats and dogs, I don't have a problem with protecting my pets from wild animals, I do have a problem with someone that shoots someone elses tame pet because I'm considerate enough to know how much it hurts when a loved pet is harmed. And shooting it with a b.b gun does put it into danger and possible harm.
By the way, When you shoot the cat that is on the loft with a b.b gun you are not training the cat to stay off the pigeons, you are training it to be aware of you, and that just increases your problem. After I went hot wire I have Not ONE problem. So who is ignorant on solving the problem?
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Mother Lode Lofts
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Apr 01, 2004
7:22 PM
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Again Zinger your all wet,like I said "it doesnt hurt them" and teaches them that the top of the lofts are off limits and thats it,as for teaching them to loose trust in you,bullhucky,I sure wouldnt know it since I have fight two cats everynight for my fair share of the bed both of which were trained when they were younger to stay off of the lofts,as for my example in my last post I was pointing as an example that yes we do have a right and a duty to protect our birds and that includes keeping them off of our lofts where thier intent is to harrass,I think that both of us have gotten our points accross and it's time to talk pigeons
just my opinion
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Mother Lode Lofts
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Apr 01, 2004
7:33 PM
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thanks paul,but I'm a little more pre-emptive than that LOL,if I deam it a threat it wont get a chance to do the actual damage,I think that you are talking city limits,up here you have the right to shoot it if it's on your property,my nieghbor just went through that with this crazy lady on the otherside of him,the Sherrif told him if it's on her property she has that right.
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Zinger
17 posts
Apr 01, 2004
7:50 PM
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Mother Lode Are you telling me that if you shoot the cat in the eye, mouth, ear or reproduction organ area it won't hurt/maim? Back up your word then, I'll shoot you with a B.B. gun, after that I'll touch my fence, Bet your still hurting after my unpleasent shock is way gone, Bet I'll still be lol at you to. Back yourself up, I'm calling Bull Sh*t on you. Just because you feel manly by hurting some kids pet animal don't make it right. It's sad you can't see past your own needs, and don't think about others feelings. I have no doubt I'm the better neighbor.
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Mother Lode Lofts
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Apr 01, 2004
9:09 PM
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First off Roy I dont have to deal with other peoples cats,but I do have to deal with my own whenever we bring in a new cat and thats how I've allways dealt with them,it works fast and read my lips "it does not hurt them" sheeze when I was a kid about ten of us used to have BB gun battles, one time when I was a kid I suffered the wrath of a neighbors cat and it wasnt pretty and then he suffered my wrath I learned a good lesson about not closing off a trap that I havnt forgot to this day and a good lesson on what devastion that a cat can do if it makes it way into a loft ,I don't want to hear about touchy feely hurting some little nieghbor kids kitty,cause the fact is the birds will win out over that everytime around here and if I have a problem with a nieghbors cat you can bet that I wouldnt be good neighbor ,I don't breed train,clean,and care for these birds day in an day out week after week year after year to suffer the wrath of someone elses cat,for some of us Roy we take these birds very very serious and we put in a lot of years of hard work into these birds and it's also our job to protect them no matter how we do it ,if you want to play around with someone elses cat in your yard go for it,but I won't put up with it here.
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Russ
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Apr 01, 2004
10:12 PM
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Any intruder into my loft area, whether it is a cat, dog, opossum, rat, racoon, etc... will pay the consequences. As for cats, not only do they threaten the birds but they usually leave a big pile of crap or a pungent spray of urine somewhere on my property. Personally I see nothing wrong with using a BB gun to enhance their education. What has been most effective for me has been a wire trap. Someone else indicated that cats are wanderers and I will agree with that. But if I catch one, it will have to wander 5 miles home through coyote infested hills to get back to my yard. I can count on less than one hand the number of cats that returned.
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Zinger
18 posts
Apr 02, 2004
6:03 AM
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You know I find it funny and sad on how you people just can't understand what I'm saying. Every one of you admitted you have a cat problem. Every one of you admitted your predator problem reoccurs over and over and is a ever lasting concern, but when a complete 24 hours 365 day a year solution arises you rather stick with your old barbaric, inconsiderate way that puts other peoples pets in harms way and does not protect your pets when you are not there. I think I now understand, Killing makes you feel manly and you enjoy killing/hurting/maiming people's pets, Only possible reason left. You care so much about your pets but your completely blind on how others may feel about theirs. SAD. I was wrong, It's not funny. Just sad. And sick. You might want to seek some professional help. The world would be a better place.
Ever hear the sayings: What comes around goes around? Or treat others like you would like to be treated? Love thy neighbor? Guess not.
Do you guy's wear groin cloths and carry around spears and clubs like real cavemen did? Grunt Grunt.
I never realized till now how lucky my neighbors are that they live by a considerate, intelligent, compassionate person, ME, They could have been cursed with alot worse.
Grunt Grunt.
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nicksiders
42 posts
Apr 02, 2004
9:21 AM
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Quietly pop it with the BB gun......don't tell your neighbor; your kids; or your wife............just quietly do it and then no one tells the law. I have a cat hating dog, too. I also own three cats who leave my birds alone and who I have made the dog the boss of. This works good.
Words "get the cat" to the dog is the answer; Quietly add the BB gun and you got a system.
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Siddiqir
23 posts
Apr 02, 2004
9:51 AM
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Well, it is all depend upon situation you are in (what use and what not to use). Take my example, I have big bread factory 200 feet away from my house and it has many rats. As I said before they come and look for food after sunset in backyard. I am on 2nd floor and very often I see from window that rat is in yard and looking for food. On the other hand, it is not just neighbor's cat but also wild cats bothering birds. I am not sure from where they come and go but it seems like they getting more and more. The entry point for cats and rats is same so I think it may be good for my situation to apply wire fence and have piece of mind.
Wire fence thing may not work for other peoples because they are not in situation like me. Also I am not 100% sure if it will really work for me but nothing wrong trying it. I also have concern what happened if bird sit on hot wire??
Thanks, -Rauf
Last Edited by Siddiqir on Apr 02, 2004 9:53 AM
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Anonymous
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Apr 02, 2004
11:36 AM
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Zinger,
I bet you are the kinda guy that cuts grass at midnite and don't think it bothers the neibors.
I had a neibor that did that.
He don't do that anymore.
Steve
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Zinger
19 posts
Apr 02, 2004
12:10 PM
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Rauf, I don't have much of a rat problem due to my 7 cats, But I live on a old dairy farm that I now have as a home with LOTS of pets so I do have some mice/rats. Best way to deal with Rats I think is a wood box upside down with two, 1/2 moon holes cut on each end so the rats think there going into a dark hiding place, Inside I have 2 or 3 spring operated rat traps, Makes it easy and safe that way, Set a trap, lay it down on the ground, set another and another and place them in a square like fashion on the floor in a smaller pattern then the box, Then set the box over the traps, I usually only use 2 or 3 traps per box, Because a bouncing rat may set more traps off and they seem to get spooked if it's filled with dead rats, Use peanut butter on the trigger. Make the 1/2 moon holes small so no cicks or small roaming wanted critters can't get in and it's safe. I also shoot rats with 22 shorts and b.b/pellet guns.
I WON'T USE POISON EVER AGAIN. Long time ago I used poison at another place and the rat/rats died in the walls and stunk for months, NEVER EVER AGAIN.
If you have so many due to the bread factory that traps are not enough you could run a hot wire around the loft 1 and 1/2 inches off the floor or a hot wire mesh strip the whole way around would be even better if the problem was that bad.
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Zinger
20 posts
Apr 02, 2004
12:32 PM
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Steve did you mean to direct this post to someone else? Because I'm the more considerate/compassionate one posting on this thread.
"Zinger,
I bet you are the kinda guy that cuts grass at midnite and don't think it bothers the neibors.
I had a neibor that did that.
He don't do that anymore.
Steve "
B.T.W... I'm sleeping sound by midnight because I know my hot wire is keeping my pets safe...lol.
Was this part "He don't do that anymore." meant as a threat? If so it did not work...lol.
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Show Roller
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Apr 02, 2004
12:38 PM
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Pigeon Bob,
Thanks for bringing this post to my attention. I can see
both points of view here and this is a debate that could
go on forever!!! No one has worst neibhors than I do. No
one dislikes their neihbors any worst than me.It would depend however if the cat(or cats) were doing any damage
as to what I would do. I do know I would never do anything to any animal to get even with a bad neibhor. I would at least have the guts to tell my neibhor to keep his cat out
of my yard or this is what I am going to do whatever it was. Does this make since? RON
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Zinger
21 posts
Apr 02, 2004
12:39 PM
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Rauf, If a bird lands on the wire nothing will happen, if that bird touches just about anything else well touching, sitting on that wire it will get shocked.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
52 posts
Apr 02, 2004
12:53 PM
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Man Roy you are fine piece of work my friend! Seven cats huh? No wonder you are head over heels for the plight of the pussy cat. Got one for each room? Hey to each their own, just do me and anyone else a favor and keep them on your own property. Your cats don't belong at mine or anyone elses house. THAT MY FRIENDS IS THE BOTTOM FREAKIN' LINE!!!. If you want to start paying in on my mortgage then by all means send them over. I don't need any wire fence, hell don't even need to shoot the furry bird eating bastards anymore. I have two dogs trained to kill cats, so I sleep really easy too at night. But wouldn't mind being awakened by one of my dogs tearing into something, then wonder, hum, maybe that was one of Roy's cats that just got ate, wonder what it was doing in my yard? Maybe we dream about the same things, maybe not. I dreamt of hunting down a pack of cats while on a caffiene high with spit running down my chin and my eyes bobbing around like they were on springs!. You have that dream too? Probably not. Being considerate and compassionate comes in degrees Roy, your's just happens to be up there with the likes of the tree hugger is all. It's not your fault, it's just the way you are. We all have our own personalities and make our own choices in life. You want the world to pet pussy, I want the world to keep it's pussy out of my freakin' yard...you dig! Grunt at you later, gotta go club my dinner.
Brian.
PS. When you are done with your PETA bullshit, can we be friends and talk about some rollers or something?
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PIGEONBOB
14 posts
Apr 02, 2004
1:07 PM
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-RON....HMMMM, DO I WANT TO EVEN GET IN ON THIS ONE!? I WAS RAISED TO THINK THAT CATS HAD NO VALUE, THAT THEY WERE CREATED TO BE TARGET PRACTICE. BUT THEN AGAIN, MY FOLKS WEREN'T EDUCATED AND DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. WHEN I GREW UP,AND REACHED THE POINT WHERE I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN DECISIONS, I LEARNED THAT ALL ANIMALS ARE CREATED BY THE SAME SPIRIT THAT CREATED US. THOSE THAT DON'T TREAT CATS RIGHT ARE BASICALLY PUTTING THEMSELVES IN THE PLACE OF THE "ONE" WHO MADE THEM. BUT THEN, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE GOD...ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT SOME DAY, WHETHER THEY THINK SO OR NOT, THEY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THEIR ACTIONS. ON THAT DAY, THEY WILL WISH THE HELL THEY HAD LISTENED TO SOMEONE. BOB---------
Robert A. Faulkner
Last Edited by PIGEONBOB on Apr 02, 2004 1:10 PM
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Mother Lode Lofts
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Apr 02, 2004
1:40 PM
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Roy after much thought I realized the error of my ways so I called the Sherrif to turn myself in,I told him the situation and he told me to buy a shotgun as it would work much better than a BB gun and I say but i'm trying to become "considerate,intelligent and compassionate" Roy that Barbarian just started laughing and hung up on me can you believe that !,so then I tried my Pasture,He told me that "man is above all beasts" and beside's these wondering cats are also killing off songbirds and wild qauil,so forget the BB gun and pull out your shotgun,then I told him that I'm trying to be considerate,intelligent and compassionate then he to started laughing uncontrolably and said I know you better than that "it's impossible" and actually hurt my new found warm fuzzy feelings,can you believe that,so I thought that I would take your advise and seek professional help so I called the only head doctor in town,I did'nt even know that we had one it turns out that this guy is new it town and just moved here from PA. his name is "Dr Zinger Puss N Putz" man is that a coincedence or what ? any way he said yea I can fix ya so I headed on down and on my way stopped at the feedstore and picked up this new hot wire called "Zap once" man I didnt even know that stuff came in 440 volt, so I get to the Docs office and there this guy is dressed in drag with a tie die shirt with one of those big peace signs on it and a one of those big happy face pins that read "Kerry in 04" on it and a dangly ear ring,beside him is this Migit in a clown suit that reaked of stale beer and refer and he was introduced as the Docs assistant,now normally I would have just called the Sherrif as Tie die and men wearing dangly ear rings is illegal here,in fact there's even a county sign on the road that says so,but I wasn't there for that as I only wanted to be cured and become considerate,intelligent and compassionate,plus there were PETA posters plastered all over the walls saying things like "a broiler chicken is worth more than a human" ,now around here PETA is about as popular as NAMBA,plus he had this dumb looking cat,so anyway you get the picture ,so he sits me down and the migit procedes to put these electode's on my earlobes then he plugs it in at the outlet,and then the Doc shows me this flashcard of his dumb cat with a Young pigeon in it's mouth and threw the switch making my hair stand up on end,sure it looked like one of those crossed up color mongrals and had a eggbid band on it but it was still to much for me to take so I jump up out of the chair and kicked that migit in the clownsuit like a football (we can do that here)I head to the truck and get my new hotwire "zaponce" and tie the Doc and the cat up with it,I plug it in next door at the power plant and flip the switch on the cats BOOOOOOM the cat just literally explodes I yell out YEOW Roy was right this thing works better than a 12 ga. with homeloaded to hot of shells,next I flip the switch on the Doc his hair starts sizzling and he starts screaming like a little girl then all the light wents out as I had obviously blown a breaker so I'm thinking to myself well thats probably a good thing then he starts talking in tounge and praying to the PETA Gods and Allah !!!! then the next thing I know I'm looking for the breaker but I must have blown a transformer as the whole town was dark and I had to get out of there before the cops showed and hauled me off for not reporting the tiedie thing,so I'm still half nuts and I smear pigion doo all over my body like war paint and head home grabbing cats along the way,the easy ones were the ones that kids had in there arms I mean Roy after that zolt and that flashcard I just wasnt thinking straight at all,so when I get on my street I start lining the street with thier little heads on poles (could be used as spears I guess)once I calmed down I realized that I also had one scunk and a chihuahau "they looked like cats in the dark you know",now I know that you are going to say that I'm full of BullSh#t but it's the truth Roy it was quite a day.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
53 posts
Apr 02, 2004
1:45 PM
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bob, I wonder what the great Almighty himself, creator of all things, would think about shocking animals with an electric fence, a focused intent to do so? A sin isn't measured in volume or degree, its an on/off switch. Just my .02.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
54 posts
Apr 02, 2004
1:50 PM
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Scott, stop it yer killing me over here..ROFLMAO!!!!
Man I love Fridays!
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PIGEONBOB
15 posts
Apr 02, 2004
2:04 PM
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Why don't you ask him? Then you wouldn't have to wonder.
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Robert A. Faulkner
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Anonymous
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Apr 02, 2004
2:12 PM
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Roy Zinger,
First of all I am a civil man.
I don't make threats I just perform what I profess.
I went and had a civil talk with the weed chopper next door.
He didn't listen so I showed him the error of his ways.
Now the neibor next door with the cats would get the same civil talk and the same results if he did not listen.
But before the therapy session I would use my live traps with tuna fish and oil and after the catch I would wash the stink off in some 55 gallon drums of water , then I would visit the next door neibor.
Steve
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highroller
6 posts
Apr 02, 2004
6:55 PM
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Wow, this topic is about as hot as the color breeding topic. I gotta say I'm cracking up reading a lot of these posts! Some of you guys ought to have your own comedy hour on TV. I have two cats indoors and that's where they stay. I found someone else's cat in my loft one day but he had not gotten to any birds so I was compassionate and kind and turned him loose. A few weeks later he was back and had killed 6 birds and wounded several more which all died within a week. Can anybody guess if that cat was ever seen again? I try to build my lofts with prevention in mind but if something still gets in I'm not letting it out again!
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Mother Lode Lofts
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Apr 02, 2004
7:56 PM
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Oh another sick Bastard joins the group thats in need of profesional help LOL
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highroller
7 posts
Apr 03, 2004
5:03 AM
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Thank you, Mother. Coming from you that is a compliment,LOL.
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Zinger
22 posts
Apr 03, 2004
5:09 AM
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Some of you people crack me up. Talk about jumping to conclusions..lol..P.E.T.A..?..Tree hugger..?..LMAO..I shot over 30 deer and more turkeys, grouse, rabbits, racoons, rodents, varmits that I lost count how many many years ago. People, I shot two of my own sick/hurt horses so I can send them to the dog food factory instead of the expensive needle and cremation (illegal to bury or dump dead carcasses here. Dog food factory won't take needle killed horses, must be head shot). I have framed pictures of some of my kills and mounted trophy bucks hanging on my master bedroom walls..PETA..roflmao.
Tree hugger?..lmao..I really don't know what name is more humorous to call me. I am a Real Estate investor. A large % of my income is made from falling and selling standing Timber. I have sold some of my highest grade cherry tree's to Japanese wood carvers and high dollar furniture makers. As I type this there are veneer logs wrapped in giant plastic cigar like tubes anchored to the bottom of the Sea of Japan stored there for later use that I sold them ..Log hugger?..lmao..I hug them to get a board foot estimate..lmao.
Back to the topic: "Neighbors cat SUNNING itself", I would not have this problem. I live on a large piece of land, in a large 3 story house with a large 2 story barn and large shed with a HUGE frigging multi wire hot and ground wire fence built in a horseshoe shape, all my buildings in the center of the horseshoe. My 1/4 mile long driveway comes down the center of the open part part of the horseshoe. This design allows me access in and out without the bother of a Gate. But 99.9% is enclosed by hot wire. If it got in that one way I'm sure my 2 huge dogs, 7 cats and 2 mean geese would make it remember it's way out, I'm sure.
My 7 cats are all "fixed" so they don't roam much and when they do they very seldom leave my property. They usually go to the barn and shed and hunt rodents when they are outside. They are trained to hunt rodents and not birds by praising them when they bring rodents back and when they USE TO bring back birds I would grab them by the back of the neck, smear the dead bird in their face in a rude but not hurting manner, yelling "NO" and "BAD" on the way to the koi pond for a hated dunking then release. Don't take long for the lesson to be learned. Only problem is disposing of the dead rodents left at the door step.
So I have cats/dogs/horses all being kept in my property by my electric fence, all the bad critters kept out by my electric fence So my family and pets are ALL protected 24-7-365 for next to nothing after the original investment without pissing off my neighbors by hurting there kids pet.
Summary: No chance of a Hatfield/McCoy feud, No law calls, No worry of the neighbor doing a retaliating midnite poison visit to my pets. Nothing is eating/disturbing my pigeons/pets. Everythings COOL. No Brainer for me.
Zinger.
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I can Roll when I Skydive so I know why they do it. It's great FUN.
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Mother Lode Lofts
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Apr 03, 2004
6:58 AM
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Yea Roy you've sold me on stringing up on wire around the property like Christmas lights,so I head the feed store again and just praying things in town had calmed down from yesterday,so I get to the feedstore and and lucky for me they had 960,000 ft of 440 volt "Zap Once" hot wire to wire everything on the property I knew that this was only to get me started as I had to dble it up due to one wire being two in. off the ground to keep the rats off the property also,so's any way I'm makeing my purchase when all the sudden I see this little cart pulled by four Potbellied pigs barraling down the road towards my truck in the parking lot, I thought "what the hay",you thinken what I'm thinken Roy? yea thats right "Migits" it was my little friend that reaked of refer and stale beer from yesterday, and he wasnt ALONE !!!!!!, I never did mention why I don't like Midits in clown suits did I,it stems from my child hood and an incident at the fair,I had my prize 4-H sheep there and one went missing so I go searching,I looked everywhere!!!! finaly I heard a BAAAAAAA from back behind the Tattoo stand so I run back there and lo an behold theres a migit in a clown suit with my prized sheep,I was FLABBERGASTED !!!!! to say the least,I wont do into details but I was traumatized by the whole incident to say the least,but thats a story for another day, so this carts stops at my truck then I reconize the other Migit,HOLYCOW it's Roylene the queen of migit porn,you might remember her in "XXX Dominating Migits With Big Breasts" yea thats right there she was with a little Nazi hat on her head,high heels,tight black leather outfit"you know the kind the pushes the boobs up" and one of those spiked choke collars that you see on pitbulls and under her arm was a big black BULLWHIP !!!! now I'm thinken to myself "whats she got to do with this" man I'm still shaking here Roy,all the sudden she starts yelling " YOUR GONNA DIE YOU CHIHAUHAU KILLER"
man that Chihauhau that I mistook for a cat must have been hers I shoulda pulled his head off of that pole,so I'm hiding behind bags of pigfeed trembling and not knowing what to do,I could take the one in the Clownsuit but but had my doubts about her,so you ask "whud you do" well Roy the fact is I ran out the back door like a little girl leaving my new Ford Heavy duty in the parking lot and let me tell you I dont feel too manly at this moment,I think that I'll stick with the BB gun though and try and get my "manly feeling" back again
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Zinger
23 posts
Apr 03, 2004
7:08 AM
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Mother lode, Seek help man..lol..Seek help now and find it fast..
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I can Roll when I Skydive so I know why they do it. It's great FUN.
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Russ
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Apr 03, 2004
9:47 AM
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And they all lived happily ever after. THE END.
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nicksiders
44 posts
Apr 03, 2004
12:38 PM
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A couple of interesting things heard here:
1. Sin is an off/on switch...........absolutly correct. There are no degrees of sin.
2. Dark colors roll better
LOL just kidding about the color thing.
Sorry Russ. I know you said the end.
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Russ
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Apr 03, 2004
3:03 PM
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Hey Nick, I had the pleasure of meeting Tony Chavarria this morning and seeing his birds at a local club fly by the 'United Spinners Association'. I can tell you that his ash red series birds can roll as good as the dark colors! How are you doing with those Dick Stephens birds?
Russ
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Freddie
19 posts
Apr 03, 2004
4:18 PM
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Boy, did I let the cat out of the bag on this one, LOL. I talked to my cat loving Daughter, She told me to spray vineger around the kit box to keep the cats away. I put a 50/50 solution of vineger and water in the lawn sprayer, sprayed the whole area.
Also my son-in-law is a local cop, he told me to shoot the dang cat or take it for a long ride. So if the vineger dosen't work, well come here kitty kitty kitty.
Freddie
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nicksiders
45 posts
Apr 03, 2004
11:27 PM
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Russ,
We don't want to tell anybody that Tony's birds fly in competition.
I have 5 young ones (peepers) and six eggs sitting. I flew a couple of the Norwoods and I have a hen who does well. I am going to fly these two Norwoods with my young ones. I am thinking that I will fly in competition next spring.
How are your birds doing? Got anything big going?
Nick
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