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Paul Fullerton
Guest
Mar 10, 2004
7:47 PM
I have seven pairs of rollers. I got them from 3 different breeders. Utah, Nevada and California. I finally let them out after a time. They all came back. I have one problem...only one of them will fly high and roll, the rest just fly in circles about 10ft over roof level. Some of them start to roll(wings forward head back) then continue flying. They don't hit the roll! Are they confused! Then they land on the coop clean thereselves then trap. They all know how to trap too. The one that flys high and rolls responds to a pigeon whistle...he hits the brakes and comes right down and traps. But...they all fly in different directions and they do not fly far except the one. It is only the third day that I have let them out. My question is...will they start flying high and kitting after time. I was assured by the breeders that they will roll! They do not land on houses or wires they just fly in circles around the coop for about 10 minutes (10ft over the houses) and then land on the coop and hang out. They almost act like they get tired...or do not want to fly. HELP! I have done the feeding thing..(feed them after they fly).but it is only 3 days of flying. I have only had them for 3 weeks.
MCCORMICKLOFTS
41 posts
Mar 10, 2004
11:03 PM
Young birds fresh to the wing won't kit for a bit. They'll start too in a week or so. And don't expect them to roll if they are young. Some familes take anywhere from three months to one year or more to start rolling. Young bird also have a habit of not flying for very long at first, but each day they will fly a little longer. Give them some time and you'll see changes. Good luck.
Brian.
Mother lode lofts
Guest
Mar 11, 2004
7:14 AM
Three days isnt enough time to gauge them by any means,fly em hard everyday or even twice a day,if they dont want to get off of the loft,push them up,who did these birds come from ??
Paul Fullerton
Guest
Mar 11, 2004
8:05 AM
These birds came from Utah Nevada and California. In Nevada it is a man named Pat Dexter...very healthy and colorful birds, The Utah birds came from Mortisan Amani..he was the Utah roller champion in his region last year or the year before. His birds are small compared to the others. The last couple pairs came from Bruce Vander..something...it is a long last name. He lives if Vacaville CA. He has 5 huge lofts and every color imaginable. So that is were they come from. I am wondering if some were breeders and have not flown for years. The ones that are banded are all 2003 and one is a 98.
MCCORMICKLOFTS
43 posts
Mar 11, 2004
12:52 PM
Oh man, you said the "C" word. Put your seatbelt on lad!
lol.
Steve
Guest
Mar 11, 2004
3:02 PM
Hi Paul,
It is early yet to tell what your birds are doing.
It seems they are to strong with your explaination of the flying incircles.
Feed em Milo for a few days to slwo em down and it will give em a chance to kit.
Exception of the 1- 98 bird the rest are to young to know if they will make you some breeders.
Listen don't believe everything someone tells you about the birds.
Jay Starley won the Fall Fly in your region of Utah and Thayne Lee on it in the World Cup regional prelims.
If your birds don't work out get out to the club flys in Utah and see them in the air.
There are some of the greatest rollermen in the world in Utah and they will help you if you are a serious hobiest.
Later
Steve S.
viper
12 posts
Mar 11, 2004
5:52 PM
Mortisa birds are good birds he won his region and the state fly also give them time and fly them hard for about 2 weeks then you will see a change but if they all don't trap quit fast cut the feed amount down alittle till they will.
Mother lode lofts
Guest
Mar 12, 2004
7:05 AM
Viper you in Utah ? Paul where do you live ?
Steve
Guest
Mar 12, 2004
12:52 PM
Viper,
Morteza Emami was judged by Don Suton in the NBRC Fall fly and he came in 15th with a score of 105.56 in region 7-A.
He never placed in the W/C.
I don't know if he has good birds or not I have never had the pleasure to watch em, but I do know he never won his region.
I will ask the man who won it and he will know if he won the state fly. Not in here to argue, just state facts and help others.
Later
Steve S.
viper
13 posts
Mar 13, 2004
7:29 AM
Yes I am from Utah I could be wrong on him winning the region but he did win the state Gail Rand was the jugde for are state fly he scored like 243 or something like that.I was under the idea to fly in the state you had to win your region and he went in as number 1 in his region.Out of my region I went in as 2 finishing 6 in state first year I ever flew in comp. As for the W/C for the state he did not make the finals.When I say region I mean are club regions. thinking about it he didn't score in the 200's only once last year but when there on there on.

Last Edited by viper on Mar 13, 2004 7:35 AM
Mother lode lofts
Guest
Mar 13, 2004
10:00 AM
Viper sounds like you've gotten a taste of Competition and liked it,your in good company up there as far as the qaulity of fliers up there,do you fly with Tom Monson and Starley and the rest of that crew in that area ?
good luck in the up coming flys
hg
Guest
Mar 13, 2004
3:33 PM
hghg
Paul Fullerton
Guest
Mar 13, 2004
6:47 PM
I live in California near Sacramento. I actually live in Woodland. It is about 20miles NW of Sacramento and about 10 miles south of Davis (UC Davis). Well, I did not mean to stir the pot on Armani. I may have misquoted him. He is hard to understand..he has a strong Iranian accent. Thank you all for the advice and keep it coming. I want to know all I can about this roller stuff! I was in Portland this weekend for a Sacramento kings game and my son let the birds out once while I was gone and he said that they flew further and actually all flew together this time. I asked if they rolled and he did not know...He is fourteen..He has a hard time remembering his name sometimes! Anyway...I hope I got some good birds. The Baldy I got from Armani has obviously flown before because he trapped as soon as I blew the whistle and he was the only one that actually flew high and fast...and rolled a couple of times. I trust armani, we talked on the phone for quite a while and he was very excited that I was starting out and swore he would give me some good ones....the others...who knows....only time will tell. Any other pointers would be great! I really need pointers on training young birds too.....I have four fertile eggs right now and I am starting a kit box construction in about 2 weeks. So keep the input coming... Do you all like my play area loft on Tonys web page...it was the wifes idea.....and worked out great!

Thank You

Paul
Anonymous
Guest
Mar 13, 2004
7:14 PM
Paul have you checked out the local guys in your area ? I'm about an hour an fifteen min. from you.
Mother lode lofts
Guest
Mar 13, 2004
7:16 PM
Forgot the name on the last one
viper
14 posts
Mar 13, 2004
7:46 PM
Yea I liked it alot.Tom Jay Gail are in more of a different region there around salt lake my area is the northern area.We fly with them for the state and the other big flys.Them and the other guys are very helpful just good people to newbes and oldes.I hope the birds will feel sorry for us and roll roll roll.LOL.

Last Edited by viper on Mar 13, 2004 7:48 PM
paul fullerton
Guest
Mar 13, 2004
7:53 PM
I have no idea who is in my area. I would like to get one more or two more pairs for my loft. Please respond to my e-mail and give me some info if you are close or are in the area and would be interested in checking out my set up or helping me out. The one who said he was an hour away...contact me and let me know about some fly competitions or....if you would be interested in getting me started with some for sure good flyers. paulfullerton@sbcglobal.net

Thanks,

Paul Fullerton
Mother lode lofts
Guest
Mar 13, 2004
8:12 PM
Paul I know most everyone in your area,theres clubs also,I'll email you my ph. no
rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
83 posts
Mar 24, 2004
9:50 PM
Paul, its been a couple weeks, how are the birds flying now? Are they kitting? How are you feeding? How often are you flying? Are you seeing any action? Tony
Paul Fullerton
Guest
Mar 25, 2004
5:34 PM
I have been flying them since my first post. The ones that I got from Utah from the amani guy are rolling like crazy. The ones I got from Nevada are about the same..2 out of the 4 are rolling but maybe 4-5ft and that is it. The other 2 are doing the same wings back and start to roll but do not. The 2 pair I got from vacaville..well 2 of them do not roll at all..and the other 2 roll about 4-5 feet too. They are flying together alot better. I do see an improvement. I was on vacation from about 6 days and they were not let out at all. I got back yesterday and let them out and they pretty much flew together and the ones that do roll seemed to roll alot more..the ones from utah were rolling like crazy. I do not know if this is right or wrong...but I am going to breed the ones I have...and keep good records and see how the offspring do. If the offspring do not roll then I am going to wack the parents and the offspring. Is that a good plan. Let me know. On another chat room one guy told me to just see what happens...Since I do not know the history of the pairs that I have..they may have some good blood in them. What do you all think!

Thanks
Paul
Mother Lode Lofts
Guest
Mar 25, 2004
6:20 PM
Keep the birds from Utah and use the others as fosters
rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
87 posts
Mar 26, 2004
7:06 AM
Paul, the first primary trait you need to see is roll. The Utah birds seem to give you this.

The second primary trait is velocity. Do the Utah birds perform with fast roll or are they a little sloppy? If they are sloppy, keep flying a while longer and see if it improves.

Assuming they have velocity go to the third primary trait of depth. How deep are they rolling? If they are to be used for competition, they should be rolling a depth of about 21 to 30 feet.

The fourth primary trait is control. Do the Utah birds come out of the roll with a "snap", that is come out of the roll as they went into it with one single motion and then back to the kit?

While these are the birds you have, they may or may not be the best to get started with. Step 1 of the Loft System is to get the best birds you can from a reputable fancier.

You do not want to spend the next year or two trying to breed rollers that do not have the proper genetics to get it done. You will end up frustrated and disillusioned.

There are good gene pools. If you have doubts about what you have, my best input would be to keep searching for quality stock. FLY ON! Tony Chavarria

Last Edited by rollerpigeon on Mar 26, 2004 7:08 AM
Paul Fullerton
Guest
Mar 31, 2004
8:57 PM
Just a little update. The Utah birds are rolling like crazy! Believe it or not one of the pairs from Nevada started rolling like crazy today too! I could not believe it....it was a white hen and a brown bar with white flight. They rolled about 15 ft. and kept on hitting it. Except they still do not fly together that well! As for the others same thing...they set up to roll but don't. They are still fat! Flying the &%* out of them seems to be working. The Vacaville birds still suck! Although a little black hen..very young from Vacaville actually rolled about 5 feet but the rest still do not show a sign of rolling. Just a little update. I picked up a nice hen from Chuck Roe in Davis tonight to breed to my baldy from utah who does not have a mate. Chuck let out his 16 bird kit for me. This is the first time I have ever seen a kit fly in real life. Holy shit! it was awesome. The birds were on fire...Chuck called me good luck! He said they did not do much this morning. But they were breaking...and rolling.... 5-10 birds at a time...fast....20-30ft...... and stayed together....Chuck was even getting gitty! Man I am freaking amped out for this hobby now. Just finished my kit box today and can't wait to get started with some young birds! Now I see why you guys are all nuts about birds......call me a freak'n nut!

Thanks,

Paul Fullerton
Mother Lode Lofts
Guest
Mar 31, 2004
9:42 PM
Thats what its all about Paul,Chucks a good guy,we have a fly this weekend if you want to head over.
Paul Fullerton
Guest
Mar 31, 2004
10:07 PM
I am off duty an 8:00am on Sunday morning. I am on duty friday and sat.
Let me know
Mother Lode Lofts
Guest
Apr 01, 2004
9:12 PM
Paul we fly Sat. morning,the weekend of the 24th your region (Sac) flys the W/C prelems,your welcome here anytime though
nicksiders
43 posts
Apr 02, 2004
9:42 AM
Paul- I live in Yuba City and there are four or five breeders in the Yuba City/Marysville area. In Sacramento there are a very large number of breeders. I suggest you contact some of them thru the NBRC web site and watch a few of them fly and develope relationships with them.

I have been out of the hobby for some time and I am getting back into it just of recent. I should start flying in some competitions early next year if everything goes right.

Part of my territory is Woodland; I work out of Sacramento.

You will note that some of the best people you will ever know are in this hobby. Some of us are opinionated and extremely stuborn, but we mean no harm. I don't really know how good of birds I actually have, but the pedigrees are strong. Got to be putting them in the air to see what they are actually made of and I haven't been back into it that long yet.

nsiders203@aol.com
Mother Lode Lofts
Guest
Apr 02, 2004
3:01 PM
Nick are you flying with Joe Urbon up there ?
Paul Fullerton
Guest
Apr 02, 2004
8:51 PM
I think that I am going to go with Ken..I can't remember his last name but he lives in West Sacramento. Scott, You gave me his name. Anyway...I am going to give Ken a call and let him know that I am going to be going to the fly with him on the 24th. Ken was actually on the phone with Chuck Roe when I arrived at his house to pick up the hen he gave me. Nice little grizzle hen. He checked his records on the hen and it kitted very well and rolled 20' or so. She is a 99 bird. He said that he bred her last year and he only got 3 or 4 birds from her and they were not that good. But chuck said that is not really proving anything..more offspring is needed. Thanks, Scott for all the names you gave me.Keep in touch!..Pigeon people are cool as shit! Can't wait for the 24th. Anybody who wants to e-mail me and exchange info, photos of birds and lofts or update me on flys in my area...my e-mail is paulfullerton@sbcglobal.net.

Paul
Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
4070 posts
May 31, 2010
6:49 PM
In March of 2004, Paul Fullerton was a newbie to roller pigeons and here we are now in May 2010. Look how far he has come and how much he has contributed to the hobby, RPDC, the NBRC, the NCRC and...?? Good job Paul. Brings back memories don't it?? LOL
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FLY ON!
Tony Chavarria


The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about.” – Dr. Wayne W. Dyer
PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
3617 posts
May 31, 2010
8:37 PM
Paul's enthusiasm is still the same even from when he was a rookie.he come a long way.right on Paul..
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Ralph.
Pigeons are not our whole life, but they damn sure make our lives whole!" ~

Last Edited by on Jun 03, 2010 4:47 PM
fhtfire
2551 posts
May 31, 2010
11:30 PM
This is to funny....seems like yesterday...LOL!!

rock and ROLL

Paul



LOok...I did not even use Rock and ROLL yet.
rtwilliams
GOLD MEMBER
654 posts
Jun 01, 2010
2:07 PM
Paul
what happened, these post are not as long as your the ones you ppost now. LOL
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RT Williams
Brink of Rolling Loft
rookie from ct
GOLD MEMBER
286 posts
Jun 01, 2010
3:01 PM
Paul was this the days of the swing set loft.(lol) Dennis
RodSD
410 posts
Jun 02, 2010
12:11 AM
As these posts show we were once beginners, too, and helping someone can truly improve/help the sport which in turn can help another person and so forth. Now the beginner(rookie) is now a Master. Congrats to Paul again!

If you are a teacher these posts would make you feel good inside because the student is now a teacher helping new students in this art of roller sports. Doing something good gets repaid couple of times.


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