Steve S.
Guest
Mar 05, 2004
12:33 PM
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Fellas,
This topic is on the the old methods and new methods of flying and raising rollers.
I have read some of the posts and some of you tend to think that if a person is head strong and has set views on the art of flying and raising rollers that they are as someone put it a roller-god or a know it all.
We all learn from trial and error or a mentor.
Some of us have raised rollers for years and just now have learned how to feed and fly for competetion.
I know how to raise for color--wing style--type and overall quality and alot of other things I learned tru time.
I learn from the New School for competetion.
The bar has been raised in the area of competetion.
I look at the scores in the W/C and the JPM fall fly and I ask the guys that place high how its done.
Some are real young guys,but it don't bother me to ask questions even if I could be their dad. LOL
Give me your views on this.
Teach me and keep on keepen on.
Steve S.
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nicksiders
32 posts
Mar 05, 2004
8:11 PM
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It is all about developing a loft system and then working to function within the system that you formulated. I think the new flyers are better at sticking to something that works for them instead of constantly changing the system like us old guys do. They find a good family of birds and build from that family instead of changing the pairing each time they think they have found a super cock or hen in somebody elses loft.
They know how to work thier system and they stay with thier system. The really good ones fly hard and cull hard.
My opinion................LOL
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
33 posts
Mar 05, 2004
9:46 PM
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Good post Steve. I am a HUGE believer in experience is the best teacher. Accompanying that is paying attention. If you were to be in the presence of anyone who has done well in major flys, if you are observant, you will most likely notice they are very competitive by nature. I am fortunate to live in an area loaded with numerous hard core flyers and most of them, though many are not fond of one another, all wear their competitiveness on their sleeves. Listening to every conversation, every debate, every speech and watch their every move. Study their birds and watch them as they watch their birds. You will be amazed at what you will learn if one only pays attention to the often camoflauged details. Never be afraid to ask questions. Some might not devulge every detail, but if you pay close enough attention you can piece the puzzle together.
Flying rollers encompasses the broadest spectrum of enthusiasts of any breed of pigeons. Each enjoys something a little different than the next guy and as most know, what works for one guy doesn't neccessarily work for another. I think at this day and age we are at a point where we have a wealth of experience and information available to make the journey towards satisfaction much easier. Again, good post Steve.
Brian.
Last Edited by MCCORMICKLOFTS on Mar 05, 2004 9:46 PM
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
68 posts
Mar 06, 2004
7:31 AM
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Nick, I read your response to the "Old School, New School" topic. It was a very good post. I like this line:
"It is all about developing a loft system and then working to function within the system that you formulated."
EXACTLY! To me its like a basketball team where the coach has a "system" that he has perfected and all he needs is players to fit the system. When a player does not fit, he is cut. (Like the guy who has a bird that lands on a telephone wire when he lets it out, bird needs to be cut. There are too many birds that will do it right than to keep working with this trouble maker)
I feel the same way about the birds. If you know what you want from them, and have a loft system (made up of specific steps) to plug them in to, then all you do is work the system step by step until you achieve the goals in which you set out.
Find the players, provide training, monitor results, make changes as needed, train some more, etc...Just be sure to have a "feedback" loop that allows the coach a way to quantify the results desired...
To me this is new school and is following some of the newer business models that many successful companies use to achieve success in a quicker time frame.
I go into more detail on this in my publication "How To Breed Better Rollers" in the e-store section of the website.
Tony
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Jimmy
Guest
Mar 08, 2004
11:28 AM
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I was thinkin about gettin back into roller birds. Does anybody now if them Henderson birds is any good. I seen some in a magazene from my frend that was for sell and they was talkin bout 'A' stile rolling. what is 'A' stile rolling I thot they was supose to roll like a ball
Thanks
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
36 posts
Mar 08, 2004
12:50 PM
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It means they roll like Fonzie, with thumbs up and saying..EEEHHHHH! LOL Just kidding. "A" is in reference to the position of the wings during the roll if you were looking at the roll from the front. "A" would be wing tips touching or near touching overhead and open at the bottom like the letter represents. Can't say about Dave's birds, don't know much about them.
Brian.
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