Anonymous
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Feb 27, 2004
9:36 PM
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does any body know were featherson the feet originly came from and how that gene affects the roller
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
64 posts
Feb 28, 2004
9:22 AM
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"does any body know were feathers on the feet originaly came from and how that gene affects the roller"?
My Response:
I have read that the BR was developed using tumblers with muff feet. My research found that the Dutch Muff may have been used.
In the 1880's the Birmingham Roller was either muffed or clean-legged according to Lyell (1887) and came in many colors.
I have seen some families show alot of "grouse" in the leg. This is just feathering coming down the leg stopping short of the toes.
I have squabs that sometimes show a few pin feathers on toes. Especially evident when I go to band them. These feathers always fall away sometime before they leave the nest though.
When I was kid, I was once given a bird by Bob Scott with a single feather coming off a toe. I do not know if that gene affects the roll. No one does really. Probably not.
I have heard from other fanciers that they have had heavily muffed BR's and they would roll with the best of them...
Unless you are concerned about some kind of muff tumbler cross into your recent BR family, I personally would pay it no mind. If there are excessive feathers, might be a cross with a feather footed breed somewhere not too long ago??
Tony Chavarria
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Mother lode lofts
Guest
Feb 29, 2004
7:41 AM
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It's just there and of course it comes from one of the breeds that was used in the development of the breed,you have some familys that are just groused and others that may even have boots,the Smiths are known for this,a buddy of mine has a line of black booted birds that go back to Smith and they can really wrap it up,I just brought in a few pairs from a buddy thats no longer flying and many of them are grouse legged,my main family are all clean legged but I have seen a few small pin feathers on the toes but never seem to develope,another note on muffs,if they are growing out of the backside I'm told that this is an indication of a cross such as from a West Of England,didnt you say that you had Wests Dave ? do they have feathers coming out from the back also ???
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tim_barnwell_1966
35 posts
Feb 29, 2004
11:35 PM
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my continentals are from the smith line and thay are all grouse legged....
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BLUE CORNER BANTAMS
& Pigeons
BIRMINGHAM ROLLERS:
yellow : almond : kites
baldheads : rec red
brown : black : blue bar
allso breeding : CONTINENTAL ROLLERS
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Anonymous
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Mar 02, 2004
12:53 AM
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Birmingham rollers were actually the result of a cross between an Oriental roller and a Dutch tumbler. The Dutch tumbler is muffed. West of England tumblers were derived from Dutch tumblers. Dutch tumblers were derived from Turkish Tumblers which are also muffed. So there is a history of muffs in the breed.
Try the link
http://home.inreach.com/ylee/writings.htm
William H. Pensom does state that in the 3rd paragraph our rollers are "to be found both clean and muffed legged".
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nicksiders
26 posts
Mar 02, 2004
3:06 PM
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My Continentals are groose legged while the Norwoods are clean legged.
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