M.H.
1 post
Feb 27, 2004
6:52 PM
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Does anyone have an opinion on a bird that spins blood into it's eyes? If it is a quality spinner would you breed from it or is this a fault that could be passed on?
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Mother lode lofts
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Feb 28, 2004
12:21 PM
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It's a fault that can be passed on
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M.H.
2 posts
Feb 28, 2004
5:42 PM
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Thanks. Thats tough to hear,I have not bred to many quality spinners yet. I had real hopes for this little hen.
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Mother Lode lofts,
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Feb 28, 2004
6:36 PM
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If you bred that one(Spinner) then you'll breed more that wont show this fault,I've heard some say that it's due to to extream speed,but in reality it's a weak blood vessal,some have told me that they've seen this out of slow rollers also,I don't see it in my birds at all and thats due to we have allways viewed it as a fault and won't breed out of such a bird,but one thing that I do see out of one of my lines is poor feather,I bred one little hen that was faster than crap,this girl had all of her secondarys broke off and all of her tail feathers and even a few of her primary flights,every fly (comp) I just prayed that she had enough feathers left to make it LOL,she looked like a bat in the air,if it wasnt for her poor feather she would have made into the stock loft but instead she will forever be a kitbird.
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
65 posts
Feb 28, 2004
8:11 PM
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Okay, Here is stirring it up a little...
If this is your best performing bird from all your youngsters you need to breed from it. Provided it IS the BEST one.
Breed several youngsters from it and put the best offspring back to it. IF the BEST youngster spins blood, don't use it. Use the next one. Breed as many as you can from this pair. Do the same thing. Breed best youngster back to it. If best one spins blood go to the next one.
My point is after you have started with the best performing bird, begin breeding away from the fault while maintaining the quality of the roll.
This assumes you will be staying with the same family and this is the best one as far as performance.
I have had a hen spin blood to the eye and not pass it on and yet still get good youngsters.
Technically I agree with Mother Lode that the same parents that gave you this bird can still give you the same quality without the blood in the eye.
But they still produced blood in the eye, and any offspring they produce might still pass it on as well. Maybe these parents should be culled too??
Perhaps you should obtain birds of the same performance calibre without this fault being demonstrated.
Just a different take on it. Tony Chavarria
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Mother lode lofts
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Feb 29, 2004
7:51 AM
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some good thoughts there Tony but "me" personally wouldnt breed from such a bird,there are some out there who's families throw birds with this fault on a regular basis and it's due to allowing them into the breeding loft,if you want to try and breed around it use a Sibling that doesnt show such a fault not a bird that does,lets not forget the original source and that is the parents of this bird,thats just my opinion
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M.H.
3 posts
Feb 29, 2004
3:41 PM
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Thanks again guys,since I can't fly her anymore I think I will try a couple rounds of youngsters from her.I like the idea of aquiring more stock of her quality(thats just my opinion)but the person I got them from has gotten out of rollers due to health and I really haven't met any other fanciers yet.
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Steve S.
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Feb 29, 2004
6:00 PM
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M. H. & fellas:
I agree that in most cases it is a genetic fault or weakness.
But! Before you start culling make sure the roller is not causing the blood in the eye from the wing stroke.
I have had rollers that pump the head and the wing is in a position while strokeing hits the eye or eyes.
I have rested the birds and this never happened again.
Feed the bird up and see if it happens.
The thiner or better fly fit the kit birds are in my experience this happens more often.
Steve S.
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Mother lode lofts
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Mar 01, 2004
2:18 PM
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Good call Steve,your right first need to find out if she rolled blood in her eye or if it was just an injury,and like you suggested let her heal up and toss her back in the kitbox
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STARFIRE
28 posts
Mar 02, 2004
6:27 PM
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Blood in the eye is caused by a very fast spin.If you look at the bird spinning that has blood in its eye you will see it is spinning faster than its kitmates.I have had a few birds that roll blood in the eyes and I breed them all the time.I don't think its a weak blood vessle in the eye.I just put it back in the kit after the eye clears up.If it continues to do it I put it away.I have never had ayoungster
from one of these birds that does the same as the a parent.They are excepionally fast birds and if you don't use them you are not going to get the really fast spinners.I don't think it's a fault that is inherited .If you never use a bird like this how are you going to know if it's inherited or not?Don't believe everything you read.
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Mother lode lofts
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Mar 02, 2004
6:56 PM
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Your right don't believe everything you read,it's a fault,and if you let it "set" into your family you will have more and more
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M.H.
5 posts
Mar 02, 2004
7:24 PM
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This is fun to be able to talk to other pigeon fanciers,I don't have any pigeon neighbors.Just wanted to say I'm positive this bird is spinning blood into her eyes.She is definately faster than her kit mates. She starts to hover like a butterfly until finally landing somewhere in a yard or field and I walk right up and pick her up.She is blind for at least a day then back to normal. I've rested her for a week or two about three or four times.When blind the eyes have a florescent orange tint in the sunlight.
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motherlode lofts
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Mar 02, 2004
7:37 PM
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MH good birds don't fall apart no matter how fast they are,sorry buddy but she's a cull,what you put into your birds are what you'll get out
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M.H.
6 posts
Mar 02, 2004
7:42 PM
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What do you mean what I put into them,If you mean not breeding her I'll probabally agree with you.
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Mother lode lofts
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Mar 02, 2004
8:04 PM
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Yes MH breeding from her
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
24 posts
Mar 02, 2004
8:35 PM
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I have to agree with Scott, even if she is the fastest bird you have, it's a fault, a genetic malfunction. It would suck to bank on her in the breeding loft then say that her offspring don't do it, but like many traits it skips a generation and you end up with a kit box full of bloody eyed-rollers. You could try her on the side just to see what happens, but make sure to keep good records and be prepared to cull them all including her if it comes back to haunt you.
Reminds me of a local guy who said one of his birds was spinning so fast when it came down it had a bloody nose. LOL.
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Steve S.
Guest
Mar 03, 2004
2:07 PM
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Spitfire,
If it is getting blood in the eye from spinning it is a fault plain and simple.
Breed away from that weakness.
Thats why NASA trains astonauts on G-Sleds.
Some men can't take G-Forces and they get blood in their eyes.
This is a human weakness in the blood vessels of the eyes and you won't be taking any trips in outerspace quareented.
I think.
Steve S.
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STARFIRE
30 posts
Mar 03, 2004
6:55 PM
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Hey guys;Did you ever think that if you could get 20 blood in the eye rollers (very fast birds) to fly 20 minutes in competition you would get a good quality mark? Maybe more than 1.3? LOL
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