Mother lode lofts
Guest
Feb 25, 2004
6:44 PM
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Now this is getting good Brian, as the so called old Pensom lines go,one thing that has allways baffled me is why a bird or birds that has been dead for so long are still used as the main referance of some peoples family,you brought it up earlier and it's that dirty word "pedigree Breeder" and yes there are those guys out there and it's almost as if thier family and thier thrills evolve around how many old famous dead pigeons are on that sheet of paper,some do it just for the sales but I know others who really don't sell that many pigeons but it's all that they seem to care about and you can put a kit of birds rocking over thier heads and without even looking at the kit just keep spitting out band numbers of old dead pigeons LOL,But one thing that you have to keep in mind is that theres a a thousand differnt lines bred down out of those birds and each one of those lines are only as good as the breeders behind them,to put it another way,are those birds behind the birds that I have,yes,do they influence how I breed "No" not in the least but used properly in a tightly bred family pedigrees are a valuable tool due to the closer up generations and are an interesting read past that,Brian the birds that I have today are due to the hard work of others before me,and are tightly inbreed and linebreed of which I also practice and they are fairly consistant in size,type and temperment,are they clones "no" but they have been brought in tight,as for kitting,"no" I dont have any problems at all,and once a kit of Y/B make it's maiden flight they will be flying as a kit in 3-5 days and this will last until the onset of the roll,any bird that will not kit up to this point is culled unless there's an age difference between him and his team mates then common sence plays in,but I see very few of these,once the roll hits is when the kitting with particular birds becomes an issue,as long as they are making every attempt to stay with the kit I'll give them time to get a handle on the roll,maybe up to two weeks,some less and maybe some a little more depending on my gut feeling about the birds or birds in question,once I've had enough though they are culled and it's rare that I'll put up with it for more than three weeks though,the one's that seem to give you the hardest time are the one's that will give you fits during high stress periods such as the moult,when birds are culled for kitting problems how they spin does not come into play,a cull is a cull and a non kitter or problem is a cull,now Brian if I were to breed from such birds what would I end up with ? thats right more of the same LOL plus on top of it if you put up with it for to long they will just screw up the kit that they happen to be in,these problem birds are mentally weak,lack of caractor or as you put it no heart,and these birds need to be weeded out as they will just make more of the same but it must be remembered that we are breeding towards a fault,to much roll and we have bumpers,high percentage of rolldowns all of which means more problem birds such as non-kitters and earlylanders,to much stability and we have stiffs that are just the opposite,we need to try to run that invisable line in the middle or at least try to,now for the downside of "my" birds,it's my percentages of good one's,I want it higher and no doubt it "was" higher last year over the previous year but I still have a lot of work to do plus once they mature they can be tough to handle but thats also when the good ones are at thier best,I don't think that we'll ever be done working on our birds but then again why would we want to be as thats where alot of the fun is.oh yea as far as the 272 stuff,again were going way back here and is a bird that has come down several different ways,and I find a pretty heavy influence in one of the lines that I have,I'm not seeing stiff out of what I'm working here,if I did I would'nt be working them,but then for some my entire family would be stiff,as there are familys out there with much more heat.
Scott Campbell
PS maybe next week my opinion on all of this will change,and my opinion only evolves around the birds that I have on my property.
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