Mount Airy Lofts
499 posts
Feb 18, 2008
12:47 PM
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Are these George Masons' or the other Masons'?
Strong looking photos...
Thor
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Mount Airy Lofts
501 posts
Feb 18, 2008
12:55 PM
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The photos make them look very strong. Could just be the photos themselves and not the bird... hence the statement strong looking photos.
Thor
P.S. Did you import these yourself or were they off the ones from the East Coast stuff?
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It's all about the friends we make :)
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c robbo
79 posts
Feb 18, 2008
3:26 PM
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verry nice thats wot i like to see.hope thay puduse for u mate thay look difrent class. good strong back. on thay toes. verry verry nice
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classicpony
672 posts
Feb 18, 2008
4:39 PM
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155,
Those are some great lOOking birds.
Jim
Illinois
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PR_rollers
536 posts
Feb 18, 2008
4:44 PM
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Yea those are very nice birds look like they ready to take off where they stand..good luck with those Mason birds.nice expressions
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Ralph....
Last Edited by on Feb 18, 2008 4:44 PM
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ICEMAN710
125 posts
Feb 18, 2008
4:59 PM
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I was thinking the same thing, When I hear think of Masons,I think of Baldy's and Badges.
Good looking birds 155. How are they in the air?
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Gary
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1169 posts
Feb 18, 2008
5:08 PM
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Good looking Baldies......................
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RUDY PAYEN
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1170 posts
Feb 18, 2008
5:08 PM
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Good looking Baldies......................
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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CSRA
1391 posts
Feb 19, 2008
12:37 AM
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those are Manson birds they work good for i see good deal
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Shadow
81 posts
Feb 19, 2008
3:08 AM
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Agree with Mt Airy they are showing The Toughest Kid on the Block look,in this context I mean it as a compliment,hope they go as well for you as do for George.
Last Edited by on Feb 19, 2008 3:15 AM
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W@yne
1089 posts
Feb 19, 2008
11:13 AM
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Those birds sure dont look pure George Mason i would trace them birds back and see whats been added to them down the line, The head and body shape of your birds look nothing like georges birds i am not trying to be clever here just trying to help you.
But nice birds all the same.
These are a pair of George Mason bird he bred in 2001
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Feb 19, 2008 1:27 PM
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Fire_Baller_916
115 posts
Feb 19, 2008
11:46 AM
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They look a lot smaller and fatter in sizes...That's the differnces that i see in your birds Wayn...
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Chai
Raining Fire Loft
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Steve_uk
342 posts
Feb 19, 2008
11:51 AM
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They were my birds and the reason they look a little fat is probably due to them being stock birds.
Steve...
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elopez
559 posts
Feb 19, 2008
11:53 AM
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Nice birds guys.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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W@yne
1090 posts
Feb 19, 2008
12:25 PM
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Jose
I know Al Luna had birds from George but looking at your pictures it looks like something has been added to these birds over the years i maybe wrong but very unlikely.
You say you got these birds direct from Al?
Did Al breed in an open loft?
What year did Al import Georges birds?
Truthfully Jose do you think your birds look like the ones i posted because the ones i posted are a typical trademark look of a Mason bird?
Jose i kept Georges birds some direct from George here at my place for three years and been around Georges birds for ten plus years i can spot a Mason bird very easily and the birds you posted look way off base to what Mason birds look.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Electric-man
1161 posts
Feb 19, 2008
12:34 PM
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Maybe we should just ask Al Luna! Lets get him in on the conversation so we don't slander his name or birds! If not, take it off line!JMO
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Val
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Mount Airy Lofts
505 posts
Feb 19, 2008
12:39 PM
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Wayne,
Maybe it is just me here. Looking at roller photos of the fliers here vs the ones in UK. It looks like the US are breeding towards a more stronger type of pigeon vs UK which has a calmer more weaker demeanor to them. Under line LOOKS. Isn't it windier in the UK than the US. If so, wouldn't it be the opposite... like breeding stronger fliers there than here. When ever I get a very strong looking roller on the ground, it usually spells high and long flying in my family of rollers. This may not be true in others.
Don't be too quick to judge as photos can be deceiving. Sure is strange that certain looks do follow certain families...
Thor
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It's all about the friends we make :)
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W@yne
1092 posts
Feb 19, 2008
1:09 PM
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Thor
Maybe Al has bred away from the Mason look in his birds i do not know and if he did he sure must have his reasons.
Thor
As for the UK having windier weather i think theres places over in the US that equals our wind over here Kansas being a prime example.
I agree also photography also can be deceiving.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Customkev
12 posts
Feb 19, 2008
1:10 PM
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The National Champion in the 11 bird this year flys birds bred down off of some Mason imports both from Al and Ellis McDonald... Darrell Johnson's birds look more like the red mottle and badge bird in the same photo... I dont know for sure but looks like the camra was way close in a couple of the other photo's...
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PLS
5 posts
Feb 19, 2008
1:14 PM
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Nice Birds.......
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Shadow
82 posts
Feb 19, 2008
1:50 PM
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There definitely appears to be apparent differences,but its possible its down to camera angles, and the way birds are standing with the first birds a little on edge due I think to being photographed in open,other pair are indoors and obviously relaxed, as for Red Mottle in photo graph,no reason why this should not be Georges lines,as there was a Cock on loan to a mate of mine here,a Red Ball I think he was called the Nomination Cock,and he produced similar Red Mottles in several nests
Last Edited by on Feb 19, 2008 1:54 PM
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Velo99
1583 posts
Feb 19, 2008
4:13 PM
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Kansas Wayne?
Amarillo Tx is the windiest city in the US,averaging 15.2 mph.
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Keep the best. Eat the rest.
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jim
82 posts
Feb 19, 2008
11:47 PM
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Hi all these is my masons ,and I agree with WAYNE.
My two cent.
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Jim "Mason"
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mkg
20 posts
Feb 20, 2008
12:11 AM
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your birds look just mine.
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trevsta65
256 posts
Feb 20, 2008
12:35 AM
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i will post some pics of my mason stock birds when i get a new battery for the camera .cheers trev
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W@yne
1093 posts
Feb 20, 2008
9:29 AM
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Jim nice birds and i can see Mason trademark clearly amongst your birds.
155
Like i told you before i am not trying to be clever in any way by saying the above posts and i think Al would agree with me that his birds have changed dramatically since he exported his birds from George
This is what i am on about and surely you can agree with me there's a massive difference in appearance i think Al must have really gone against the look of the Mason birds that you have in his breeding compartment.
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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Last Edited by on Feb 20, 2008 10:40 AM
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gabe454
281 posts
Feb 20, 2008
9:53 AM
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Wayne your right there is a diffrence big one.
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TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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PR_rollers
555 posts
Feb 20, 2008
3:17 PM
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oh yea those birds are def different,much smaller in appearance..in all angle..
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Ralph....
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W@yne
1099 posts
Feb 21, 2008
1:21 PM
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155
Good luck and all the best with your MASON birds i hope they do well for you.
Tell Al thanks for the insight into how he has adjusted the Mason bird to suit the USA climate
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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joey mac
1 post
Feb 22, 2008
12:07 PM
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hi all my pigeons are red badges and i live in birmingham uk got some bham rollers as well but the badges do well in the birmingham culb
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jerrylynn
51 posts
Feb 22, 2008
9:34 PM
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Hello All
I have known Al Luna for some 15 plus years and Al has had only Mason birds for as long as I can remember I seen some of his birds at Ron Moden's place just a month ago. You can rest assure that Al is top notch in the sport.
Jerry Lynn
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3757
669 posts
Feb 23, 2008
9:41 AM
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Guys - I have a historical question for you? Are you sure Al Luna imported the birds or John Sandoval?
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
2151 posts
Oct 04, 2008
2:43 PM
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How are those masons doing Jose..?
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PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Canspinners
162 posts
Oct 04, 2008
8:50 PM
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155 the originals look like mason birds from way back , the big red looks like a barret bird
Wayne the picture of the pair you posted look very much like bob brown birds , I was told George Mason got BOB browns birds when he passed away ..
I have birds which are pure bob brown birds which resemble the white spashes. You may have got them from george Mason but they look like they are off the brown line
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velocity1
25 posts
Oct 04, 2008
11:46 PM
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3757,
Al Luna had them imported in and years later he did get some from John Sandoval.Also to all you guy's that think you know all there is to know about Mason pigeons your all full of shit!!!!!Wayne!!!!!
I have pure mason pigeons and i open loft breed but thats the only family of birds i have so it doesn't matter if i breed individual or open loft now does it wayne.Just because all you own is black grizzles and tort's doesn't mean you have mason pigeons.Park pigeons have the same color you have so now what.Why is it all you UK guy's always try and start shit?I'm am here to tell you that your no better than me or anyone else on here so quit bad mouthing these birds.Some of them are mine also,so why don't you tell me that they are not pure!They are as pure as the day they where imported in just smaller to adapt to the weather here period.
Joey Canteloupe
Last Edited by on Oct 04, 2008 11:52 PM
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Shadow
230 posts
Oct 05, 2008
2:04 AM
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Hello 3757
Not a U.K. resident but the best of admiration for those guys who are ,arent you a bit top heavy having a go at others,when your own interpretation is so seriously flawed regarding the origin of the birds, I am sure these men themselves would be the first to tell you,if possible,its you guys that are hung up in a bad way regarding pure this /pure that/,it doesn't exist in Rollers,and for those who think it does,well you are living in a time warp,type and ability is the only criteria used when trying to produce rollers,with rollers from many other lines being used,now to me PURE means (nothing added Ever),now how do you get Pure Masons,Pure Browns,Pure Barrets,Pure Pensoms knowing full well that these fanciers used like all of us used many different lines to produce theirs,so they were never pure in the first instance,now this PURE is almost an obsession with some flyer's,have yet to read/hear of any guys ever even refer to any line of birds on this side as pure,probably too intent on creating their own lines,to stand the test of time,than nailing their colours to some others fame.Would be more interesting to hear if they compared to Masons best,in rolling ability,producing quality offspring,or other previous flyers,but to get het up regarding an opinion,and pictures of birds,a wee bit much
Last Edited by on Oct 05, 2008 2:14 AM
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velocity1
26 posts
Oct 05, 2008
9:24 AM
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Shadow,
All i'm trying to say about them being pure is that i never have introduced a outside bird ever.If i ever need a bird for anything i go to Al Luna to get something and he has the same family of birds and he has never introduced an outside bird.When i do well on a fly with this family of birds i call them George Mason birds if i screw them up on that day i call them mine.
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velocity1
27 posts
Oct 05, 2008
9:24 AM
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Shadow,
All i'm trying to say about them being pure is that i never have introduced a outside bird ever.If i ever need a bird for anything i go to Al Luna to get something and he has the same family of birds and he has never introduced an outside bird either.When i do well on a fly with this family of birds i call them George Mason birds if i screw them up on that day i call them mine.
Last Edited by on Oct 07, 2008 7:18 PM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
2160 posts
Oct 05, 2008
2:54 PM
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Good looking Jose.............
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PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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Shadow
233 posts
Oct 06, 2008
11:48 PM
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Velocity 1
As you already know I am sure,you wont go far wrong with Georges line,as even on this side they are much sought after,with many flyers having his line,and I am sure you have the best of them and my own interrapation ithe rollers are an ever evolving hobby,and its through only the strictest selection is this possible,all flyer will produce an amount of duffers,regardless of what lines they are using,now and again its only my opinion,if I give them the handle of pure this/pure that, I am bestowing an almost mythically quality for the less unsuspecting among us,to maybe harbour and persevere with what we would rightly dispose of as supernumary as progression to the working roller. Wishing you all the best with them.
Last Edited by on Oct 06, 2008 11:56 PM
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gotspin7
1879 posts
Oct 07, 2008
5:08 AM
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Jose, nice birds
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Sal Ortiz
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J_Star
1763 posts
Oct 07, 2008
5:32 AM
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They should not be called Masons no more, they should be called Luna's strain since he changed them to suit his needs. This way, there will be no disagreement.
Jay
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velocity1
28 posts
Oct 07, 2008
3:32 PM
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Shadow,
I hear where your coming from and thanks for wishing me luck with the birds.I've been breeding them since 1994.I wish you the same.
Joey
J Star,
Al calls them luna birds and i call them Canteloupe birds when we screw them up.When we do good with them we give George Mason the credit and call them Mason birds.I will always refer them as Mason birds.Thank you George Mason for these great birds.Soon Al and I should be importing some more from Geaorge.I also understand what your saying J Star.
Last Edited by on Oct 07, 2008 3:33 PM
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mario
115 posts
Oct 07, 2008
5:16 PM
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VERY GOOD LOOKING BIRDS ..................MARIO
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kcfirl
503 posts
Oct 07, 2008
5:24 PM
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Joey,
why are you and Al importing more birds? Is there something lost from the originals?
I figured you would have made them into what you wanted in the 14 years you've had them?
Regards,
Ken
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velocity1
29 posts
Oct 07, 2008
5:53 PM
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Ken what's up?Yes we have them where we want them it's just nice to have some new blood to ad if needed.Not sure if it's going to happen it's pretty expensive.George told us whenever where ready he'll have them.So how was your trip to the UK how was george's birds.
Last Edited by on Oct 07, 2008 5:55 PM
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
2165 posts
Oct 07, 2008
6:15 PM
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Zuppppppppppppp Joey..................
I heard nothing but Good things about you and Al Luna..
In matter of fact i got Masons too Going back to ellis...
and i like what they are doing for me..
Can u post some pics of ur Stock birds or flyers???
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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velocity1
30 posts
Oct 07, 2008
7:16 PM
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What's up rudy,
I'll post some hopefully this weekend.
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mkg
55 posts
Oct 11, 2008
11:31 PM
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Here some pictures of some Masons i have the three in the front were breed by Joe Canteloupe the two in back were breed off birds from Joe
these are this years young
Last Edited by on Oct 11, 2008 11:41 PM
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mkg
56 posts
Oct 12, 2008
10:25 AM
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Jose
It been too windy to fly this week.The young Masons are looking good in the air.I lost a few to the BOP's
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