Double R
240 posts
Feb 08, 2008
4:37 AM
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Does age factor in when deciding which kit box your birds go into?
If so at what age is age no longer a factor?
Robby
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Missouri-Flyer
1286 posts
Feb 08, 2008
7:06 AM
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Robby,
In what aspect are you referring to age?..Are you speaking of age that they go into the kitbox?...Age that they are moved from 1 kit to another?.. If I am reading you right, I move birds around by performance when they start showing something in the air..When you were here last, the kit I flew were birds born within 3 weeks of each other..Some of those have been moved and replaced by the younger hatch that were showing more..Hope I read ya right.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Flipmode
109 posts
Feb 08, 2008
9:00 AM
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I think this should be based on 100% Performance. no age limits.
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fhtfire
1233 posts
Feb 08, 2008
9:08 AM
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Flip..you are right..I fly my young birds with my young birds...then I give them promotions to the B-team or the A team based on performance...when the birds start putting some nice rolls together when they are in the young bird team...I will move them up...especially if I notice that the bird is shortening the roll because the young kit keeps flying away...then I put them in the B-team...you will really see those birds improve when they are in a better team...now when they really start rolling and the quality, depth and heart is there...they will get a shot at the A-team....if they can't handle it..they will be demoted and then I try them again at a later date.
Some birds skip the B-team all together and do great with the A-team...some birds can't handle the work rate of the A-team and either quit kitting, bump a lot, or get over stimulated.....that is when they get demoted...it does not mean that the birds are no good..it just means that they are not ready....for the Big Show...If they quit kitting...or disrupt the A-team...they are dropped back down without even blinking.
So....Age does not matter...to a point....LOL...I put my birds together based on performance...now...I will not put a young bird that has only flown for a month....and is rolling like crazy into the A-team...the bird is not ready mentally..way to young....most of those are overcooked.....and will die...
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Snake Doctor
192 posts
Feb 08, 2008
9:51 AM
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Paul,
When you move the birds from kit to kit like you discribed do you have to resettle them to the new box? and how long does it take to do this, if you do?
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"Semper Fi"
SD
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fhtfire
1234 posts
Feb 08, 2008
10:47 AM
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Snake,
I usually don't have to settle them at all....once they are flying and know where they live...they will follow the other birds in....especially because they are hungry....Although I don't have a problem at all because my kit boxes are right next to each other and they are all identical...right down to the trap...so as long as the trap is open they will go in...if your boxes are not close to each other and look different...I would just make sure that they are real hungry on there first fly out...even if they only fly 10 min...once they hit the trap..they are good to go...
rock and ROLL
Paul
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SpinZone
36 posts
Feb 08, 2008
4:16 PM
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Yes age matters some what, you can not place a young bird that is just starting to perform with experienced vets because of a few reasons. First off the young bird is not mature enough to keep up with let's say a hold over kit the young bird normally require more feed than a hold over birds.
The end result could end up with ruining the young bird all together.
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Sandy91, SA Region 3
141 posts
Feb 08, 2008
4:32 PM
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After there first moult and they all roll I would add some of the better ones to my A-Team if there are any that are better than some of my older A-Team birds. The rest are my B-Team until the next moult. Then it starts all over...
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Double R
241 posts
Feb 08, 2008
4:54 PM
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Jerry,
I've always heard that you need to keep all the birds in a kit as close to the same age as possible. I was just wondering at what age, age would not factor in when determining which kit box they went into. Would you put 4 month old birds in the same kit box with 6 month old birds or older? Or would you let the age differance stop you?
Robby
Last Edited by on Feb 08, 2008 5:14 PM
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SiDLoVE
163 posts
Feb 08, 2008
6:08 PM
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Fly all the young together , if you notice a bird rolling with good kitting instinct and doing a awesome job ..move the bird to the next team ..sometimes young birds catch on faster then others. Adjustment. ...Adjustment,,,Adjustment,,,, is key to your SUCCESS>>
sidLOVe*
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PR_rollers
500 posts
Feb 08, 2008
7:16 PM
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I agree with sid.. adjustment is the key,I take lets say 25 young one of the same age and the ones who are stating to roll
with quality i start moving them to form a new team but they are all of the same age.so they fed the same and they are move back and forth.now once their mentally mature ,I will move them to my holdover team . watching them very careful so they not ruin with the older birds.just like what Spin Zone first stated .so age does matter to a degree..but this is the fun part placing placing .moving forward.culling hard..
Ralph....
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Double R
242 posts
Feb 09, 2008
3:52 AM
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Thanks Guys,
That's what I've been doing for the past year. The spring of 07 was my first year raising rollers so I'm still trying to figure things out. I've been moving the best to a kit by their selves working on building a team.
Robby
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Missouri-Flyer
1289 posts
Feb 09, 2008
6:00 AM
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Robby,
The way I see it, is that age matters up to a certain point. When they are young, and just starting on the wing, up until the time they are starting to show something in the air, then yes they should be flown with age being a consideration. After they have been flown a season, with plenty of air time, then it is time to move them around, if they have proven themselves.
If you have 20 birds the same age, and 10 of them are showing more than the other 10, then move those 10 to a better team, to where their progress will continue. At that point age does nothing but tell you how old they are.
PERFORMANCE is what your looking for, NOTHING else after they come into the roll.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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