Mongrel Lofts
406 posts
Oct 25, 2007
7:55 PM
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Hey LD,
You might like this old hen.. I didn't have her ped to up load but the bottom half is her.. I wonder if Herb would know this back ground? LOL Dang, trying to get the ped up,, no luck,,KGB
CCRC-06-#547
DARK CHECK SELF P/E
This is rare blood bred this tight. I would have to say there are not many birds in the country bred like the old #547 hen. This hen is still producing and setting right now. I do give her 1/4 tums a day for 10 days leading up to her laying
Well, I can't get her back ground in here! LOL She is all full B/S matings off of 1079 x 369.. No other matings and all individually bred.. She is in an individual now, raised one young and setting on eggs. I figure this is her las year to rais any.. what do you think my chances are past 11 years? KGB
Last Edited by on Oct 25, 2007 8:40 PM
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Electric-man
735 posts
Oct 25, 2007
8:07 PM
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I like that bird!!!
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Val
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3757
191 posts
Oct 25, 2007
8:33 PM
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Ken - The bird looks like the 1079 bloodline? It is nice. If you get the pedigree I will ask Herb about it. Most guys only know about the 272 stuff but the 1116 (7001), 1079/369 is tight and fast. Herb is a wonderful man and has a lot of knowledge. Nice bird!
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3757
192 posts
Oct 25, 2007
9:15 PM
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Ken - For some reason I could not see the background information when I posted my first post. That is great bloodline. 3859 is a full brother to 3757 which Bruce Cooper purchased. I know you are getting some high velocity spin. Herb still has a lot of this bloodline in his loft. Good stuff Ken!!!
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crystalpalace
128 posts
Oct 25, 2007
9:41 PM
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Kenny that dark check hen is definely a great looking hi-velocity roller. Did you find the pedigree that you were looking for? What cocks did you mate to her? Was she mated to any of your blacks? At her age it will be hard to get anymore eggs out of her. I have a blue check hen her age that shelled eggs this year but im worrying about next year. I have stock breeders from her im bar and check colors and this family has been bred for twenty seven years. I have never sold a roller from this family and ill be posting them this year. All the birds in this family have been pearl eyed.
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crystalpalace
129 posts
Oct 25, 2007
10:50 PM
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I found my pedigree papers concerning the Sparks family. Those numbers you guys mentioned are devenly in there and manymore. My 514 top and bottom blue check family are behind those birds and they will be posted this year. I mated my family to the Sparks family to give more of the pure blood and genes. Then my top and bottom red bar family have been bred back to them also and this gives them more of the pure blood and genes. Kenny has a good idea what im talking about because he saw my stock less than ten years ago. I will present new band numbers that have never been revealed before that go back nearly forty years. Sonny Ray
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stiff
29 posts
Oct 26, 2007
1:47 AM
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Hey guys today herb was at my place he handled some of my birds he said they have the same type like what he had back home.
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gotspin7
322 posts
Oct 26, 2007
4:52 AM
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Nice looking bird!
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Sal Ortiz
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Alohazona
325 posts
Oct 26, 2007
10:07 AM
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Kenny,
I have a 10 year old Henderson hen in an individual,still cranking.She looks very much like the bird you posted.She still has a vibrant eye,silky feather.The added plus, is I get a high percentage of good birds from her.I'd say you have another 2 years in the breeding pen with her.Outstanding bird!....Aloha,Todd
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Alohazona
326 posts
Oct 26, 2007
10:17 AM
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Clayton,show Herb our warmest ALOHA,Mahalo's bruddah !...Todd
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3757
194 posts
Oct 26, 2007
11:11 AM
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Aloha - Make sure you take care of my friend:)
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Mongrel Lofts
407 posts
Oct 26, 2007
4:33 PM
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Hey LD,
Every bird I have goes back to the sister hens here and there but this hen is full brother and sister matings for 5 generations. The only mating in the back ground is 1079 x 369 no other mating.
Hey, As you know when Monty died I traded Brian a pair of breeders for a pick out of the Birds Monty had stocked. I spent todays going through the record books and picked a red chec tick cock and a Mealy bar hen.. Monty had 4 B/S to the cock stocked and 3 to the hen.. I tried to pick birds that Monty had written CDI by many of the young.. Anyway, do you now what the hen was that Bruce bought from Doris Pensom that was mated to #3757? Here is a picture of the Monty cock IRA-95-#1595 and hen BCBRC-07-#252. Brian was of the opinion the cock was of the #3757 line. I wonder if Bruce could tell by looking at these birds if they are related? Would just be guessing I know. LOL Thanks KGB
This is a young cock off the pair above. He is a solid 30 footer with a good work rate and fast tight roll. I haven't bred him yet. Plan to try him on his mother next year if she is still hitting..
Last Edited by on Oct 26, 2007 5:08 PM
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3757
196 posts
Oct 26, 2007
7:49 PM
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Kenny - I will give you here band number when I get home. However, Bruce mated 3757 to OCRC-70-1772. She was Bruce's fasted spinner and she was a granddaughter to PRC-61-4904(Plone Champion that went back to 492 skidmore) the other side of her background was heavy 23/9. JLS-53-23 also went back to Skidmore. Bruce produced his champion 4013 which all of his birds go back to. 99 percent of Monty's birds also go back to these birds with the exception of 266 and a few others. The ones in the photo resemble the birds that I received from Bruce. He is a remarkable man and an excellent breeder. The birds from Monty trace back to some of Pensom's best and are related to Herb's birds especially 3859. 3757 was a full brother to 3859 so the Bruce/Monty birds are cousin's to your 1079 birds. I really like what you are doing Kenny and keep up the good work.
LD
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3757
197 posts
Oct 27, 2007
10:25 AM
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Kenny - The hen that Bruce purchased was NBRC-66-3637 WHP(She was also down from the 514 line).
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Mongrel Lofts
413 posts
Oct 27, 2007
11:08 AM
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LD,
Thanks for the band #. I new about 3859 and 3757 being full brothers off of 119 bred back to 514. One of the main reason's I was interested in getting some of Monty's stock, but no one ever talks about the Hen much that came along with that pair. I was told Bruce had bought many youngsters from the pair from Pensom before his death and they were a nick pair. Then Bruce bought the pair after Pensom's death. I always wondered if the hen was just a good mate for the 3757 and didn't make the grade on her own or what the story was on her. Maybe ask Bruce the next time you speak with him.. Thanks KGB
Last Edited by on Oct 27, 2007 11:09 AM
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3757
198 posts
Oct 27, 2007
12:56 PM
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Ken - I have asked Bruce about this before and he said that he struck gold when he put 3757 on 1772. The birds were awesome and the young produced. 4013 was off of this pair and he made his entire family off of the one cock. So, his family is really made up from the son of 3757 (4013). Bruce has been very generous to me over the years and he sent me 6 young early last year of which one was a champion (606) in the air and he has produced some good birds for me this year. He is also jamned 4013. I am glad that you are trying the Monty birds and if you need anything let me know.
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wgg
9 posts
Oct 27, 2007
8:15 PM
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Ken,
What do you have the old hen mated to?
Also, a rookie/beginner question "What are the sister hens and what is their background?" Thanks,
Grant
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Mongrel Lofts
417 posts
Oct 27, 2007
9:07 PM
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Hi Grant,
Well the sister hens are a pair of Herb Sparks birds, #369 and #370.. There is also another sister out there I'm told #368 that Herb used. I don't have any from that bird in my birds. Your red check hen is down from the #313 and #370 Blister hen, your dark birds are down from the 1079 and 369 side.. Just basic back ground, lots of numbers and birds between..
Grant, the old hen is mated to NBRC-00-#549.. He is the cock bird Milo handled that has eye's you will never forget if you handle him.. He is being used around here a lot these days. He has turned into a top gun producer for me. I don't have any really good pictures of him, but this is him. I raised one young one and have one fertile in the nest. The old hen is coming down the stretch I think,, Sad day,, LOL I have some nice one's put away off her. I 3/4 last year and got a cock that is a spitting image of her.. Fast as heck in the roll but a little seldom. I think he will do some good work in the stock loft mated right.. Now that's a bunch of rambling for nothing I know.. LOL KGB
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wgg
10 posts
Oct 27, 2007
9:24 PM
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Thanks Ken.
And the Hollywood stuff is basically the same?
And what is dummy? Trying to get some history. Thanks for the background on 547. I've got a few of her grandchildren that are doing well.
Grant
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tapp
420 posts
Oct 27, 2007
10:21 PM
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KGB, That redbar w/f in the middle looks alot like some of my Weins. Nice birds. Tapp
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Tapp
Last Edited by on Oct 27, 2007 10:22 PM
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Mongrel Lofts
418 posts
Oct 28, 2007
4:02 PM
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Hey Milo,
Good post but I disagree on one point. Big Dummy. #14601 is the original Big Dummy not his Father #7998.. Dan Ouellette went to Kisser's house and Kiser lined up 5 generations of red checks down from #7798. All of them non rollers. Dan picked the bird he liked best and bought him #14601. He named him big Dummy for his non rolling and size. Big Dummy #14601 became so famous that his name was taken by JV Broek, Joe Kiser and Mike Curtis. The figured the father deserved the name but it was the son that was the key. The difference was that the Blister hen #370 was the mother of Big Dummy #14601 and he is the real Big Dummy. In this case, Daddy is the imitation and trying to live off his son's great repetition as prepotency producer. SO for the record, # 14601 is the True Big Dummy and #7998's claim to fame is being the father of Big Dummy. For the record.. KGB
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