dave
206 posts
Nov 26, 2006
9:27 AM
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I visited my cousin yesterday to see how the birds I gave him are doing and saw something that puzzled me. Two of his birds and one of the ones I gave him had a wing that seemed paralyzed. The birds look healthy ang felt fat but one wing was droopy and couldn't flap. He said that they had been like that for a couple of days now. When he threw one up it just came crashing down. What could it be and how to treat it?
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nicksiders
864 posts
Nov 26, 2006
11:30 AM
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Calcium maybe. Make sure they have red grit or mash up your wives calcium pill.
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JMUrbon
76 posts
Nov 26, 2006
11:57 AM
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That is also a sign of paratyphoid. Put them on some 4and 1 and like nick said also make sure they have grit. Ususally though you dont see this from calcium deficiency until late in the breeding season.Joe Urbon
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dave
207 posts
Nov 26, 2006
2:04 PM
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These are not breeders but kit birds so I will assume the worst and tell my cousin to get the antibiotic.
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JMUrbon
78 posts
Nov 26, 2006
3:45 PM
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probably a good idea Dave. Joe
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RB&R
119 posts
Dec 25, 2006
7:36 PM
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explain why anyone. i need help too.
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sac_spinners
21 posts
Dec 25, 2006
8:39 PM
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I have had the same thing happen to one of my kit birds before, just like dave said one side of the wing was hanging and it couldn't fly anymore, i have not cure it ever since, i try everything i can think of meds to calcuim to vitamins and minerals nothing helps for me so i just use him as one of my breeders because he was a great spinners, i was thinking that it might of got injured some how but its only what i think i maybe wrong, theres nothing wrong if you try to cure it but i think it will always have a problem with the same wing side
spin to win
chor
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STARFIRE
221 posts
Dec 25, 2006
10:01 PM
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Hey Dave :
I think the bird has paratyphoid.(Salmonella).You can cure them but it takes a long time. I use 3-SULMIT.Its a sulfa drug for P.T.Do you have mice? Thats one of the things that will cause it.I cured 4 this year but it took almost all summer and they will fly normally,when you cure them .Look at the affected wing and see if it has a bump in the joint. You better separate them because its caused by a virus and they will infect some others.Especially its mate if its mated.
STARFIRE
Last Edited by on Dec 25, 2006 10:04 PM
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dave
249 posts
Dec 25, 2006
10:27 PM
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My cousin culled all his birds with this symptom and any that started to look sick.
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sac_spinners
22 posts
Dec 25, 2006
10:28 PM
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Hey starfire so all you use is sulment? I have try it before but i guess i didn't use it straight and as long as you said but like dave said my bird is very healthy just seems paralyzed on one side of the wing, low long exactly did you think it took?
spin to win
chor
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STARFIRE
222 posts
Dec 26, 2006
9:03 AM
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Hi Chor:
It seemed like forever.It took at least 3 months.It seemed like they would never get better and then all of a sudden they were allright,and they could fly again.Another symptom is if they are limping for no apparent reason
Don't use it to breed till it is cured -it will spread it.
STARFIRE
Last Edited by on Dec 26, 2006 9:06 AM
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Alohazona
219 posts
Dec 26, 2006
9:22 AM
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Guys,
some good suggestions on what the problem might be.MANAGEMENT,would be my first guess,and weaknesses in your program.Wire floors?,overcrowding?pest tolerance?.I have honestly never seen a bird I have vaccinated and re-boostered a month later get any type of sickness or die for that matter.
These types of illnesses in pigeons can easily deteriorate the organs in pigeons restricticting blood flow and oxygen to parts of the body.Long or short term medicating could help,your short term problem,but this can all rear its head again if stress and program weaknesses are not addressed.You may never find the the exact source,maybe happen upon it.Re-evaluate the needs in your program and adjust accordingly.
If I can suggest something else!Be-friend a very experienced fancier to help with your evaluation[20+years].Whether a fancy pigeon or racing homer guy,they care about birds and will only want the best outcome for you.Theres no subsitute for this type of experience.Hope this helps....Aloha,Todd
Last Edited by on Dec 26, 2006 9:25 AM
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sippi
3 posts
Dec 26, 2006
10:03 AM
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Hey Todd why "wire floors"? I was just going to start a new loft and was going to use wire. I normally use trex decking (sawdust impregnated plastic) It is very easy to clean and will never rust or rot. But I have some expended metal and was going to use it? Good or Bad?
Thanks
Paul
Last Edited by on Dec 26, 2006 10:06 AM
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JMUrbon
172 posts
Dec 26, 2006
6:21 PM
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Like Todd stated your sulfer based medicines all attack the liver. If the bird is good then it is worth trying to save but if it is too young or a probable cull then just speed up the culling process. All too often guys medicate just to medicate and you must remember that when you medicate you kill the healthy bacteria and you also put a heavy tax on the birds organs. Now I am not saying not to medicate but rather to be sure the bird is worth it. Sometimes it is better to just isolate the bird to eliminate an epedemic and just cull the carrier. Joe
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Alohazona
220 posts
Dec 27, 2006
9:37 AM
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Paul,
Expanded is good!!The main thing is ventilated.There are all different types of floor systems, they all work.If problems with health arise for the birds ,and the fanciers ,the wire/ventilated type is better for cleanup and keeping a barrier from the birds from dander and waste.Personally my kitboxes will have the largest openings to discourage horseplay on the kitbox floor and keep them up in their personal space resting,waiting to fly.I have only had one bird ever die in my kitbox,I think that bird came in with the problem to begin with.Aloha,Todd
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stiff
6 posts
Dec 27, 2006
10:07 AM
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To have healthy birds first thing is management. To medicate birds is for sick birds, what you want to do is use preventative to keep birds heathly. Lots of guys medicate there birds but they dont clean there lofts so the problem is still in the birds atmosphere. I have seen guys lofts were they have rollers ,racers,show birds all cramped in a loft not enough perches so some are on the ground they breed birds on the floor you look at the water system it is fouled because the water sysytem is in the middle of the floor were they all take a shot to take a crap in the wateres,instead of putting the wateres up so they cant crap in it. What I dont understand is a lot of us have wire floors for our kit boxes but why not your loft where you breed out of? Just thinkin out loud.
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