bman
37 posts
Aug 15, 2006
6:03 AM
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I need a little help here.I beleive I understand "H" and "A" positions, but what about "X" and axle rollers.
Is "X" with the wing tips crossed or would "V" be more accurate description? Is axle rolling with the wings out to the side? This is all new to me since returning to the sport this year.Before, depth and speed seem to be the only considerations.Maybe you guys can give me a clearer picture.-------
Ron
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alansrollers
4 posts
Aug 15, 2006
12:21 PM
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Ron,
The diagrams on this web site should answer your questions:
http://www.geocities.com/alansrollers/roller_basics.html
Alan
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rust never sleeps
84 posts
Aug 15, 2006
12:32 PM
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Bman! Don't worry about wing positions so much. ONLY on the speed your performers, SPEED will take care of itself. Speed should be first depth 2nd.
Last Edited by rust never sleeps on Aug 15, 2006 12:35 PM
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nicksiders
787 posts
Aug 15, 2006
12:44 PM
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Alansrollers pretty well explains the wing positions. Rust Never Sleeps pretty well sums it up. It is all about speed. I have rollers that have various wing positions when rolling and the ones who roll and not spin look like crap no matter the wing position. Muscle them up for the speed first......speed, speed, speed
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Snicker Rollers
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nicksiders
788 posts
Aug 15, 2006
2:28 PM
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I have never seen an axle roll, so I would have no idea what it looks like other than drawings. The X roll looks life there is more velocity than there really is; I do know that.......so you do have a point about style being important, but it still boils down to speed. A slow A or H or a () will still look like crap if the speed is not there.
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Snicker Rollers
Last Edited by nicksiders on Aug 15, 2006 2:29 PM
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bman
38 posts
Aug 15, 2006
3:20 PM
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Thanks Guys,
The drawings cleared it up for me,but I guess some things never change.Twenty years ago I wanted speed and then depth,still sounds the same today.
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Ron
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fhtfire
552 posts
Aug 15, 2006
10:36 PM
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I agree with Kevin....Speed has nothing to do with wing position..you can have fast birds with an H patern and Slow birds with and H patter. You can have fast axle rollers and slow axle rollers. I do not care how fast your bird is spinning..if it does not have good quality it is meaningless..and speed itself does not make the birds quality imporove. I have had rollers with poor quality roll just as fast as my H and A pattern Rollers..the main thing I notice about the two is the poor quality fast rollers are noisy when they roll..like they are disrupting the air and teh H and A pattern fast rollers...you can barely hear them roll it is like they are cutting a path throught the sky like butter. Of course you want speed...but quality is a must and speed don't make quality.
Remember to focus on what is missing in your loft..if your birds are fast and deep...and the quality is poor..start working on the quality...just becuase someone says speed is real important to them...does not mean it is important to me. Right now I have birds with good depth and quality..but I want a little more speed..that is why I am crossing some Rubys in because the Rubys are super fast. I have a buddy who is working on depth..he has fast birds with good quality..he is working on the depth...so when I say speed is very important..my buddy thinks depth is more important...keep what you have that are good traits in your loft and focus on what traits YOU need in your loft. Just my two cents.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
123 posts
Aug 16, 2006
5:34 AM
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It's really all about quality and how low the fancier wants to lower there standards and compromise the stock quality. Your familiar some wing position, the axle wing position is like a boat with with two oars sticking out from it's sides,(the lowest form of stle of roll or spin)not to be kept unless it's use is a trigger bird in your kit.
The best quality wing positions should be - 1.no wing showing- 2.the A -pattern- 3.H-pattern 4.V-pattern 5.X-pattern and last 6.the axle. 1-2-3 being the better in grade ,4- acceptable 5-compromise and 6-discard.
I go for-- velocity and style first-- they have to walk hand and hand together,--frequency next-- then --depth last-- which is the easiest to achieve.
Later Dude.................R-LUNA
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bman
39 posts
Aug 16, 2006
6:21 AM
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Great info,
Just trying to get a handle on what I'm seeing.So far the YB's that are rolling seem to be mostly X to V,a couple are pretty fast,deepest 20'.
Does wing position change as they mature or is what they start with what you get?The oldest are coming up on five months.The reason I ask is I have one that when he really hits it looks like a high V nearly H and can go 30' nice and smooth.But the next one can look like c..p!When I raised rollers before (BY flier) I wanted speed/velocity first followed by depth,never paid attetion to wing position.Looking to compete this time around.
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Ron
Last Edited by bman on Aug 16, 2006 6:22 AM
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
124 posts
Aug 16, 2006
6:34 AM
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Ron ,yes somtimes the wing position does get better with, in time as they mature and grow muscle and strength the bad part about this hobby is that we have to wait and be patient. Keep up the good work my friend sounds real good.
keep in mind though you can never have them fast enough thats my moto greed for speed (lol).
later Ron
R-LUNA
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fhtfire
554 posts
Aug 16, 2006
2:56 PM
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Again, I agree with Greed for speed...yes the wing position can change as they get older...sometimes the wing position does not change. I have NEVER seen a roller get worse as they get older as far as wing position goes...meaning I have had an H bird turn into a axle roller. I have had birds remain the same as they get older or get better with age. Don't be to hard on the birds when they are young...they are nothing but POTENTIAL...what they are doing at 6 months does not me a thing to me...they are young what they are doing at 9 months and a year or older is when they really have to make the cut or draw there last straw. That is when you really start focusing on the quality of the bird and comparing those birds to you top notch birds in your A kit...if they are not as good or better...then you have to move on....the rule only changes like someone posted above if you are out of birds and that is all you got to make a team...so you can at least compete.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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