knaylor
77 posts
Mar 18, 2006
12:36 PM
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I was just curious if anyone breeds from roll downs and if so WHY???
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
687 posts
Mar 18, 2006
12:54 PM
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Kevin.I am breeding from 2 rolldown hens.I am looking for answers.David
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upcd
191 posts
Mar 18, 2006
2:03 PM
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I think people like the roll but want control.
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knaylor
78 posts
Mar 18, 2006
5:47 PM
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David, what answers are you looking for????
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Velo99
276 posts
Mar 18, 2006
6:24 PM
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Naylor,
I breed to a rolldown.,then back up a step. Last year I had one pair that rd`d three of eight and one crashed as a squeak. I would say the control was a bit spotty. I put the cockbird on a different hen this season. I have a squeak in the air now and two l.y.d.`s in the nest. I will have some answers soon I hope.
This is the pair I plan on pumping hard next season. I will run one more round late to see if there is any difference between early and late hatches. I don`t have to lock down.I have an abundance of doves.
YITS
KennyH
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motherlodelofts
661 posts
Mar 18, 2006
6:41 PM
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Roll downs aren't even allowed to leave the property here, and the last place such a cull would go is into the breeding loft , it is not even a inkling of a thought.
The idea is to move forward in the breeding loft and that isn't done by breeding culls.
Scott
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Mount Airy Lofts
151 posts
Mar 18, 2006
7:07 PM
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Was watching acouple of Roller Videos done by the Ohio Fliers back in the early 90's the other day. The Hawks has been creaming me and the snow is almost knee high so I figured I'd re watch some of my old school tapes. I don't recall who but either Joe Roe or John Blender stated that the hardest thing to attain was control. They stated to some effect that they would rather breed out of a average roller with control then a high velocity spinner without.
I am learning that this holds true as breeding out of a bird with some control fault will produce more of the same. More then not, the bad fault will be intensed. No control is a plaque...
Breeding out of Roll Downs may help you if you have no roll at all in your birds. The roll is the easiest gene to breed if you asked me. We should be worried about the control not the roll.
I think there is a pretty famous Roller Man who bred from Roll Downs. I have seen some of his stuff (First Generations) that were extremely deep birds. The guy flying these F1s said he bred a ton of Roll Downs.
I think there is also a strain out there that is pretty famous that was bred down from a Parlor Roller cross with a Birmingham Roller. I have not seen this strain in the air so I can not tell first hand what they do as to stability.
The point is, of course you can breed from any thing. The problem with breeding from birds with faults is that it'll take twice or three times as long to purge the bad traits as it does from breeing from a truly good stock. It also takes a very special and veteran flier to make such a breeding possible.
I don't know about you but I have enough trouble breeding from solid stock.
Just my take,
Thor
P.S. To me, I believe there is only one true Roll Down. This is a bird that will roll from 50' plus feet all the way to the ground. I don't believe the bird that can't get up more then 1'-20' before rolling down is a true roll down. I believe some one did a experiment with two such birds and found they produced some good over all birds. Which ever the case, one is to be advise to not breed from birds with any fault.
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birdman
132 posts
Mar 18, 2006
7:07 PM
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Breed from rolldowns?
Out of 60 young birds every year I might get 2 or 3 really exceptional rollers worth trying in the breeding pen and also get 2 or 3 rolldowns. Hmmm,... I wonder which ones I should breed from? LOL
Russ
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
689 posts
Mar 18, 2006
7:59 PM
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Kevin.Only the kind that is done by doing it myself.David
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motherlodelofts
662 posts
Mar 18, 2006
9:04 PM
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Dave study a rolldown , look how it carries itself , look in the eye of that bird and see how it has a dumb look about it,look how it hunches scared , look how the bird shows no confidence.
Also study your solid stable hard rollers and then compare them to culls such as chronic bumpers and rolldowns and then you will see why they are culls, will the F1s all rolldown ? doubtful but all you are doing is nothing but passing the "retard" gene.
Those are the reasons not to breed out of it or any such birds such as the above.
Most rolldowns can be seen as such before they even do it , there are some exceptions that will fool you , but not many.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Mar 18, 2006 9:06 PM
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knaylor
80 posts
Mar 19, 2006
2:09 AM
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Kenny, it seems that that pair is too hot or not stable. Smart move by breaking them up. But now the question was would you breed from one of the offspring that was a rolldown?????
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
690 posts
Mar 19, 2006
4:39 AM
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Kevin.I had a post that took me 10 minutes to type trying to explain what I am doing with these rolldowns.For some reason it didn't come thru.I just don't have the energy to try to write it again.I don,t know if it is my computer or this website.I have been having problems getting into the site from time to time and lost post seem to be getting worse too.When I hit post message the page comes up that says the page can't be displayed.
Anyway the type of rolldowns I am using are birds that have made it to the A Team and then become rolldowns for some unknown reasons.No secret test just the Kid in me wanting to know. David
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
691 posts
Mar 19, 2006
5:08 AM
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Scott.This type I don,t even give a second chance.Some I even cull before they ever fly.Just can't stand a berserk looking or wild type roller.
Enjoyed our conversation yesterday.You have a lot of roller wisdom.And we didn,t even get into the rolldown subject.LOL.David
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motherlodelofts
663 posts
Mar 19, 2006
5:09 AM
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Dave wrote :
"Kevin.I had a post that took me 10 minutes to type trying to explain what I am doing with these rolldowns.For some reason it didn't come thru.I just don't have the energy to try to write it again."
Don't ya hate that LOL
Scott
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
692 posts
Mar 19, 2006
5:30 AM
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Makes me feel like smashing the thing.LOL.I think when any of my post start getting long winded I am going to copy it and save it somewhere untill I am sure it went thru.Just makes you feel like what is the use in even trying.LOL.David
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Velo99
278 posts
Mar 19, 2006
6:33 AM
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Naylor,
Probably not. I want depth, not instability. I have a pair of nestys,both cocks, that are 50-70 footers on occasion. Pretty nice style and velocity. I am looking for the click to give me the foundation pair. I have several flyers that COULD be stockers. I am limited on space so I hope I can find them soon.It might take me four or five years to get there with the possible combinations I have to choose from.
YITS
KennyH
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spinnerdom
19 posts
Mar 19, 2006
2:01 PM
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this is a very large subject
rolldown to rolldown bad ones shortones longones all of this you get. fly them, cull hard at what ever depth you like. after a few years you will have what you want.
roll downs love them 300' and better pure circular form splat. the genes are there,learn to sort them jim 3/19/06
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