nicksiders
157 posts
Jul 02, 2005
10:59 AM
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What goes into deciding if your going to fly in the 20 Bird or the 11 Bird competition?
Is there any differences in training the different size kits? (other than there are fewer birds)
The feeling I get is that the 11 Bird Competition allows who have a small operation (comparitively) to compete on the same level as those with the larger operations. I am probably wrong, but I cannot see any other reason for the 11 Bird Kit. As an example, right now I only have 12 or 13 birds that are performing well enough to compete and my operation is small(and new) so the 11 Bird Kit competition would be ideal and I could compete and be competitive, but if I had to put up 20 Birds I would not be competitive.
Is this the purpose of the 11 Bird Kit?
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Slobberknocker
26 posts
Jul 02, 2005
11:31 AM
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Nick,
I, too, have a relatively small operation and would not be able to compete in 20-bird events. I started with a 16-bird kit a few months ago, but I am now down to 8 birds that are kitting well enough to do anything. They are all very young so they are just coming into the roll.
Anyway, I hope to compete this fall for the first time, but only if I can put up an 11 bird kit.
Bob
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www.slobberknockerlofts.com
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rollerpigeon1963
29 posts
Jul 02, 2005
11:48 AM
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Hey Nick,
This is my scope on the two different fly's
What goes into deciding if your going to fly in the 20 Bird or the 11 Bird competition?
Well there is a couple of things. First if you have 20 birds that work as a team, then you should fly the 20. If you are short handed on birds and can only get 15 or so to work together. Then fly they 11 and pull 4 of them. It is hard to get 15 birds in training that all 15 will work for you. So use your 15 for the 11 and pull out any birds that might give you some problems. Also if you have a hawk attack during the training and loose one then you can still use the kit in the 11 bird competition.
Is there any differences in training the different size kits? (other than there are fewer birds)
Well the birds that you use in the the 20 bird kits and 11 birds kit should be trained the same because you are trying to get them to top performance. If you get the big breaks during the 11 you can get a good score same goes to the 20. The two competitions has a few thing in common! and that is quality, & depth.
The feeling I get is that the 11 Bird Competition allows who have a small operation (comparitively) to compete on the same level as those with the larger operations. I am probably wrong, but I cannot see any other reason for the 11 Bird Kit.
I myself think the 11 bird kit is a nice option for all flyers. The 20 bird kits are for team efforts and the 11 is for individual score. The 11 is good for a person just getting started with a few birds. But after the 2nd and 3rd year you should have plenty of birds to fly in the 20 bird.
So to put it short and sweet it's something that the W/C dosen't offer.
As an example, right now I only have 12 or 13 birds that are performing well enough to compete and my operation is small(and new) so the 11 Bird Kit competition would be ideal and I could compete and be competitive, but if I had to put up 20 Birds I would not be competitive.
This is exactly what I was talking about. Also something might happen during the year and you loose a few of your best birds and the team isn't there. So you can opt. to fly the 11 since it is scored on individual birds. And in your second year you might not have them working just right as a team but still want to fly so you fly the 11.
Is this the purpose of the 11 Bird Kit?
Just a variety for everyone to show there hard work!!!
Best of luck with the fly's and I wish you the best!
Brian Middaugh
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
330 posts
Jul 02, 2005
1:31 PM
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I think the 11 bird kit you get to see more of whats happining with your rollers.I think the score would reflect more the true score for quality and depth with fewer rollers to score than a larger kit.I still can,t see how a judge can determine the depth or quality of a kit of 20 birds performing at different depths.When it happens it happens and the eye or brain is just not capable of getting a fix on all those rollers.To many things happening at one time.I am sure that most times it is just a guess. I perfer the smaller kits and the 11 bird fly will be the only one I will ever fly in.Unless I change my mind again.LOL. David
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big al
26 posts
Jul 02, 2005
2:04 PM
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Hi Nick,
Smaller operations do play a huge part in some of the roller guy's decisions to fly 11 birds.
However I also feel that the 11 bird fly is a nice showcase opportunity to get the true essence of your birds recognized. In other words since there's no focus on watching them break together or trying to score the break, all attention is given to the actual roll of a few select birds. In many cases spectators may see a little more in your birds individually than they are able to see in a 20 bird kit. Of course this can be good or bad. If you've got exceptional birds it will show. If you've got poor quality or shallow birds it will show. The excitement of a 20 bird kit active and breaking together can take a little attention away from the actual dynamics of what you're breeding. I do believe that a very trained eye will notice anyway though. I like both! I do feel that a nice big break fro a 20 bird kit of 15 birds or more is a beautiful sight!!
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Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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