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name bands & feed store action
name bands & feed store action
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steve49
541 posts
Jul 25, 2010
4:28 AM
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just wanted to know what everyone's opinion is when someone brings a bird to a feed store for a buck or two and it has someone's name/address/phone band on. I feel the guy who strays it in should call the breeder whose band is on the bird. then if he feels he'd rather sell it, shouldn't the store owner make the call? i can't believe a bird with a name band actually made it thru both scenarios and was bought by an aquaintance who told me about it. c'mon, is this hobby that clueless? as for the store owner, he doesn't have to worry about my business as he'll never see me again.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Sound Rollers
360 posts
Jul 25, 2010
4:49 AM
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Was it a Racing Homer? maybe the store owner knew it belonged to a very reputable loft and thought they could make some good money? either way I would call them thieves.
Last Edited by on Jul 25, 2010 4:50 AM
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steve49
542 posts
Jul 25, 2010
8:26 AM
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no, it was a roller, and the store owner knows the breeder of the bird. as it turns out, this guy i know was in the store, and he sees the bird, and after checking the band figures its worth 5 bux, so he buys it. it turns out i lost 3 birds a few days before, so i'm asking anyone locally if they'd strayed in any rollers. that's how the conversation came up. i'm disappointed that the store owner didn't do the right thing, which would have been worth a ton of good advertising. instead, i'll tell anyone about this because why pay for name bands if people either cut them off or ignore them.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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steve49
543 posts
Jul 25, 2010
10:53 AM
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well, when its got a damn phone number band, and the store owner not only knows the friggin guy, but that same guy is a customer i say its bull shit. and just because someone lives in NY doesn't mean we're all assholes or common thieves. believe me, if i stray in a bird W/O a name band i'm not under any obligation to find out whose it is. if its got a guys phone number, i think it simple courtesy to call. but hey, i'm not like everyone else, i can make the call. doing the right thing sometimes is a small effort, but you can make some new friends too at the same time.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Sammy W
23 posts
Jul 25, 2010
12:26 PM
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Steve,I agree with you.If my morals can be bought by $5 then that says alot about me.I would talk to this merchant and ask him his side and give him the oppurtunity to make it right.If he doesn't make an effort to get my bird back and do the right thing,then I would let him know that the $5 he got for my bird cost him alot more than that in my purchases and recommendations to future customers.
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polarbear
132 posts
Jul 25, 2010
12:48 PM
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JDA, get over comment sounds like b.s. to me as well.
I am with steve49 on this subject.
JDA, you live in California and there is several people who at one time or another that have had birds stolen from there yard. How would you feel if everybody told you to get over it just because you live where you do, if your birds got stolen.
It would probably piss you off as it should, just as it should piss off steve.
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steve49
544 posts
Jul 25, 2010
3:42 PM
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just wanted to add that the store owner knows the breeder of the bird, but sold it anyway. what makes it smell even more is that the breeder of the bird is a customer at the store. well, not anymore after i told him what happened. so, he not only lost me as a customer, he lost the guy who bred the bird too. hadn't even thought the bird was possibly stolen. now you add up all the money he'd make on each bag of feed myself and the breeder would buy, and i wonder how that $3 profit seems now?
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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steve49
545 posts
Jul 25, 2010
5:51 PM
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Joe, you're entitled to your opinion. i'm not upset with your comment that i 'should get over it', its just that you totally try to explain that its ok and tradition to knowingly steal a person's bird when they've gone to the trouble of putting their name/phone band on it. even with that said, a feed store owner takes the bird, which belongs to one of his customers, and rather than make a call that would make him look like a champ, he would rather make $3? furthermore, the bird was bred by a guy who has over 200 pigeons, and they eat more than my 30, that's for sure. i'm fully aware of what used to take place in the 5 boroughs (NYC), but out here on LI i don't think so. to be honest, it really was no big deal except the feed store guy surprised me with his lack of concern. it just didn't fit this image he was trying to put on. at least a guy who knew the breeder had great birds was smart enough to buy it. that said, it could easily have been a cull too, or sold as a squeaker with no real idea of what it grew up to be. Joe, do you use name bands? just curious.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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steve49
546 posts
Jul 25, 2010
7:30 PM
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Joe, you've totally missed my point. i don't care about rooftop flyers whose sole purpose is to catch and keep others birds. my point was is it proper or ethical to keep a bird which has an id band without first trying to contact the owner/breeder? the bird was bred by my friend, and he sold it. it was strayed in by someone, and sold to a store, as i've already stated. my problem is with the store owner who obviously is only interested in selling it to make some money. this isn't some 600 mile winning racing homer. its a roller, of which little is known outside our own fraternity, but still carries an id band in addition to its nbrc band. consider the situation, you're a store owner, one of your customers birds makes into your store and you've got a decision to make. do you call the number on the band, and make yourself look like a champ? or do you add a few bucks more than you paid for it, and pocket the money? i'm not talking roof flyers from brooklyn, i'm not talking about a guy who sells feed to us, and then can't be bothered doing the right thing. we'll just agree to disagree, but i am a bit surprised not too many others had an opinion about this. surely if it was your bird, you'd like to at least be asked if you want it back, right? its not like the store owner is obligated, none of us are when it comes to this. however, the owner did pay for the bird, and chose NOT to do the right thing. well he can kiss my ass if he thinks i'll be spending any of my money in his place. so he makes $3 and loses two good customers. at least i kept his name out of it for now. what is your point, i'll never figure out. no one is interested in calling the police, its not a legal matter, as the breeder says he doesn't care about the bird, as i'm sure it was sold because it wasn't anything special. its about doing the right thing, and if there's an id band on a bird, is it so hard to call and ask if the guy wants his bird back? its not like anyone is looking to arrest whoever caught it and sold it to the store. its so obvious, i just can't see how you don't get it!
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Hector Coya
681 posts
Jul 25, 2010
9:07 PM
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Steve,Ill give you something to think about,
I have many birds from friends that trade birds with me,back and fourth,many have name bands,At any point,if i realize this bird is no working right in my kit,i will ask the breeder that gave it to me if he wants it back,most likely,If the bird didn't work for me,it wouldn't have worked for them.
I may take a few of those to the local feed store for a bag of feed.
Now the store owner never checks every bird coming in,they just tell you to put it in the cage and what feed do you want.
Many birds end up at feed stores,some intentionally some not.
I have found 2 of my birds in the feed stores before,I simply pay the guy 10 bucks and bring it home,its his business and he has to make money,im not going to ask for my bird back,when i know he paid for it too.
Just a thought
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JDA
GOLD MEMBER
918 posts
Jul 25, 2010
9:29 PM
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Hector.. Good point. I never want birds back that have been lost and not come back on there own. JDA
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donnie james
1110 posts
Jul 25, 2010
9:37 PM
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hay steve,
you don't know what your getting when you buy from a feed store you might pick up that that no one knows about and he might be caring a disease that might wipe you out with your stock birds ............
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Donny James
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steve49
547 posts
Jul 26, 2010
4:46 PM
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Hector, i understand your point. this feed store is small, and the guy knows everyone who comes in, and there aren't that many people who do. he's semi retired, and its just a small operation, so i doubt he took the bird in w/o looking at the band. either way, its a decision that he makes, or anyone who strays in a bird. no id band, do what you want. phone/id/address band, maybe call the guy and see what he says.
Donnie, i didn't buy the bird, a friend did, and you're right, nothing at a feed store is coming to my loft unless i'm going to quarantee it. besides, i'm also of the opinion if its at a feed store, its not wanted or worth much anyway. i've already voiced my opinion here, and i don't want to make enemies, so everyone can do what they thinnk is right for them.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Hector Coya
682 posts
Jul 26, 2010
4:50 PM
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Good Point Steve
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katyroller
737 posts
Jul 26, 2010
5:59 PM
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Maybe he thought the guy selling the bird had called the breeder. Is the store owner a pigeon man? He might not even like birds and only sees them as a dollar made. I have strayed in Homers and called the breeders, no one has wanted them back.
Tracey
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Windjammer Loft
1127 posts
Jul 29, 2010
11:54 AM
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All I can say is...Iam glad that I don't have to contend with situations like that. I "ONLY" deal with feed mills for my feed and they don't sell any birds or animals...
Fly High and Roll On
Paul
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Robert Pelham
84 posts
Jul 29, 2010
11:57 AM
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If one of my birds ends up at the feed store.I leave it there why would you want some thing that some one thought was junk..I dropped over 200 squeekers to help out the feed store this year.next year I will save them all for my self.and not help new comers.I have 8 kits left.the name bands mean nothing to the person they will cut off and give the breeder the respect.I saw one of my birds on this site in feb.let them know it was mine.let him know I wanted the bird back.and still no bird.if it had a name band on it the guy would have kept quiet.and I would not know about it!!!
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Hector Coya
683 posts
Jul 29, 2010
2:35 PM
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I strayed a bird from Fred Jackens last Sunday,I called him and he didnt want to come down,he asked me to fly it and let him know how it does.
Its a squeeckermso it will take time.
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Robert Pelham
85 posts
Jul 29, 2010
5:29 PM
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Hector I will give a few bucks for the bird.
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Hector Coya
684 posts
Jul 29, 2010
6:10 PM
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Hey Robert,No,i will just fly it out,like he asked me to.
I cant sell someone else s bird.
How are your birds doing?
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2010 6:10 PM
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steve49
549 posts
Jul 29, 2010
6:14 PM
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Robert, i didn't buy the bird, i only wanted to see if it was one of my birds which i had lost a few days before. the guy who bought it is jsut starting out, and he knew the bird was bred by the same guy who he just bought a kit from. this breeder is the same guy who bred my birds. the reason this subject came up, as i stated in the first post, this bird was discovered at the feed store which carried our friends id band. the only reason he bought it was because he already had bought some squeakers from the birds breeder, so he thought it would be worth the 5 bucks. i later went to see the bird, but it wasn't one of my flyers. i spoke to my friend, the breeder of my birds and this bird, but he didn't want the bird, but was kinda ticked the feed store didn't at least ask him if he lost it or knew who he sold it to. its no big deal, i only was hoping it was one of my top birds which i had lost. the feed store guy is under no obligation to buy the bird, or contact the person whose listed on the band. maybe he never even noticed the band. but the guy who bought it told him that's why he was buying it, and at that point, he should have decided the right thing to do. if i was running a feed store, and wanted to please my customers, i'd do stuff that would make me look good, its just good business sense. i'm in business for myself, so i look at things differently than other people, i guess.
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Steve in Blue Point, NY
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Robert Pelham
86 posts
Jul 29, 2010
6:20 PM
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He did.I miss see you on the flysi am flying 7 to 8 teams a day and have two more just started flying yesterday.hope all is well with you & your famley.and your birds.all of birds of pray or back about three times a week.ready to stop my breeding I need to rest some birds .
Last Edited by on Jul 29, 2010 10:49 PM
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