crystalpalace
375 posts
Aug 15, 2008
11:28 AM
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I have the original Ollie Harris stock that Mr. Pensom imported before his death. The new Ollie Harris stock is being bred too. They are different colors than the old imports. I have alot more of the old stock than the newer stock going back to Ollie Harris. Bill claimed everything he bred in the USA was the same stock he bred in England. Both Ollie and Bill must have bred the same stock in England before Bill moved to the states. All breeders that own this stock are very fortunate indeed. This family will definely fly higher with less food and longer. It reminds me of a person that is high strung and keeps pushing himself. If all the birds are perfoming with some good depth they only have to be released three times per week. Carb up with a full can the day they are flown and carb down the next two days with half the amount that is fed the day they are flown. If the birds are out of conditition then they definely have to be flown more. I have all the families that the Monty Niebel birds were bred from. That family is very well bred and has great stock behind them. A breeder has to have a goal in mind when it comes to breeding any great family of pigeons. I keep a close watch on the lenght of the feathers on my family of feather footed rollers. If they are to long like a West of England it makes them look like they are not pure bred rollers.Best Regards Ray Sanchez
Last Edited by on Aug 19, 2008 3:44 PM
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Steve_uk
832 posts
Aug 15, 2008
2:21 PM
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Ray do you have any pics i'm a great admirer of Ollie's splashes and mottles.
Steve...
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crystalpalace
378 posts
Aug 15, 2008
9:41 PM
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Steve i read your response to Ollies stock. I have some stock that you probably will enjoy seeing I have a new camera and black steal coated cage for taking pictures. Robby Rusher will assist me in taking pictures this year. Thank you for being patient,Steve. Crystal Palace Roller Lofts. Ray Sanchez.
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"Crystal Palace Roller Lofts"
Ray Sanchez
Last Edited by on Aug 15, 2008 9:43 PM
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Electric-man
1943 posts
Aug 15, 2008
10:05 PM
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Looking forward to seeing them myself Ray!
Robby seems to be a great guy! We have been trading emails alot this summer! I hope to get that way this fall and meet you guys!
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Val
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crystalpalace
379 posts
Aug 16, 2008
1:25 PM
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Val the distance between Robert Rusher and me is less than twenty miles. Robert is learning much faster about the breed than your everyday roller fancier. Then the stock he has aquired from me and Ken Billings makes it much rasier to succeed. If you had two Master Breeders to learn from and other knowledgeble breeders it helps mucho. Bill Roy is another local roller breeder that is breeding and flying my stock with great succees. Then there are several other roller breeders in Missouri that breed and fly my stock that check out this site They dont post but we talk over the phone. There are other roller fanciers throughout the USA that have my stock but they arent interested in NBRC and WC political problems. Therefore the competition Birmingham roller breed isnt represented satisfactory. A new all-breed club has been organized called M.O.K.A. and the meetings are held near my farmette. This could bring new and old roller fanciers together in the near future. A show is being held in September but a better time would be after the molt is over with. Gary Severe was a secretary for the NBRC and he will be present at the meeting this month. There is a good chance Gary will start breeding and flying rollers again. Gary was born in southern California and was a good friend of Bill Penson so has lot of experiance in the breed. Thank you for your interest in the roller breed Val.
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"Crystal Palace Roller Lofts"
Ray Sanchez
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spinnin jennys loft
23 posts
Aug 16, 2008
2:27 PM
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Hey Ray, What does M.O.K.A. stand for? And what is the date and location of your meeting in September? Thanks for the info and keep'm flying! Woody
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crystalpalace
380 posts
Aug 16, 2008
5:07 PM
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Joe the M.O.K.A. comprises of the four states Missouri,Oklahoma, Kansas, and Arkansas. The next meeting is August 30th. at 12;00 noon. It will be held August 30th. 12;00 noon. The adress is
17744 East Highway 86, Neosho, Missouri. Telephone number is 417-451-2757. The show will be held 12th. and 13th. September. at the Newton County Fairgrounds, Neosho,Missouri.
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"Crystal Palace Roller Lofts"
Ray Sanchez
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spinnin jennys loft
24 posts
Aug 17, 2008
8:20 AM
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Thanks Ray, I'll try and make it. Woody
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
2013 posts
Aug 17, 2008
4:12 PM
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Hey ray any pics or ur birds ???
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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quickspin
1125 posts
Jul 12, 2010
9:39 PM
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Hi Ray, you got some pictures of those Ollie Harris birds.
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Salas Loft
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155
1241 posts
Jul 13, 2010
10:31 AM
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crystalpalace
I just pick up a Ollie Harris pair from a friend of mine by the name of Art Lee from up north cal that he got from chandler grover befor he pass...
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~ Jose Jimenez Aka Evilloft ~
Compton ca ,Mesa Az
.Going all Higgins this Year.
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James Herring
17 posts
Jul 17, 2010
9:13 AM
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Hey 155,
I have a question, so far I have counted three diferrent families of rollers you have. Higgins, Mason, and now, Ollie Harris. My question is, why not take the (best) from those three, and inter-breed them, and create ( your own ) family of rollers? There was this one guy who seems to be everyones IDOL in the states. He went around the English country side and picked up good birds from different people. Then he bred those birds together and created his own family, I think his name was Bill Pensom. In my opinion what most people miss is, they were Pensom rollers (only as long as Pensom was the one breeding them) With all the garbage rollers in the world, how fair is it to him to call them Pensom rollers, when he had no control over how they were being bred? Why not take the credit for creating your own family? Pure Pensom Rollers? Unless they are birds bred (directly by him) there is NO SUCH THING. I am sure I have stepped on some toes, all I can say is, wear steel toe boots.
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5 Cedars Roller Lofts
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155
1248 posts
Jul 17, 2010
10:26 AM
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James Herring
To answer your question, I am trying to make my own English stuff out of Al Luna Masons, Ellis Mcdonald Masons and out of a Ollie Harris pair. Thats the plan I have is to make my own out of this 3 family's. My plan is to make my own but right now I am sorting out the bad from the good. Keeping the best and getting rid of the rest. I am just real picky and selective of what I breed out of and down the road I may cross the Higgins with one of the English stuff but right now I dont see and feel that I need to cross the English with the Higgins. The Higgins are working just fine for me and are a little bit easier to my fit and on the English side there a little more high matnience witch I am going to work on making them on how I want them.
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~ Jose Jimenez Aka Evilloft ~
Compton ca ,Mesa Az
.Going all Higgins this Year.
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155
1249 posts
Jul 17, 2010
10:46 AM
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James Herring
just to give you an idea out of 8 pairs of the Al stuff i only kept 4 cock's and 2 hen's and out of the ellis i only have 4 hen's and 2 cock's and just one pair of the ollie harris...that what i'm going to work with....
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~ Jose Jimenez Aka Evilloft ~
Compton ca ,Mesa Az
.Going all Higgins this Year.
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James Herring
19 posts
Jul 17, 2010
4:04 PM
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155,
Now thats a plan buddy, be famous for what you have done. Arizona guys are smart.
Good luck with your breeding.
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5 Cedars Roller Lofts
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155
1250 posts
Jul 17, 2010
4:46 PM
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James Herring
thanks...
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~ Jose Jimenez Aka Evilloft ~
Compton ca ,Mesa Az
.Going all Higgins this Year.
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