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Crested muff rollers ?



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George R.
336 posts
Mar 10, 2008
8:54 PM
anybody have Pics of a Crested Muff Birmingham Roller
nicksiders
2612 posts
Mar 10, 2008
8:56 PM
No such thing........
Hector Coya
27 posts
Mar 10, 2008
9:03 PM
PhotobucketThis is a crest from a website from England,the breeder is Gordon Darfur winner of many flys in England,Yes he has crested rollers and in England.
Hector Coya

Last Edited by on Mar 10, 2008 9:10 PM
gabe454
525 posts
Mar 10, 2008
9:05 PM
Know what hector reading a book from england and seen crested rollers that are birmingham rollers.
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Last Edited by on Mar 10, 2008 9:05 PM
henry135
67 posts
Mar 10, 2008
9:09 PM
WHATS UP HECTOR I HAVE A NICE CREST FROM THAT HEN YOU GAVE ME GOING TO FLY IT I NOW ITS GOING TO DO AT LEAST 30 FOOT.
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flo
4 posts
Mar 10, 2008
9:18 PM
Great crest Hector. Just wondering if you notice that when I checked out your picture in "photobucket", I saw a whole bunch of great bird pictures. I remembered a post a while back regarding "private viewing" that only allow people to view selected photos. I hope you are aware of this as I saw most of your pictures (roller pictures). Just trying to look out.

flo
http://blacked-out-loft.webs.com
Hector Coya
30 posts
Mar 10, 2008
9:32 PM
thers nothing to hide i just posted the crest,thats what someone requested,thers other rollers in ther without crest.Thanks Hector C
Scott
218 posts
Mar 10, 2008
9:35 PM
Hector, any way you shake it something looks off on that bird , it certainly doesn't have a look of a bird with the goods .
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Last Edited by on Mar 10, 2008 9:36 PM
Hector Coya
32 posts
Mar 10, 2008
9:39 PM
Scott it dont have to have the look,some of my uglyest rollers are my best,
HectorC

Last Edited by on Mar 10, 2008 9:40 PM
henry135
72 posts
Mar 10, 2008
9:50 PM
COME ON HECTOR YOUR BIRDS ARE VERY NICE.
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elopez
763 posts
Mar 10, 2008
10:58 PM
Hector,

Post some of your Crested Muffs.

Scott,

I can talk Hector into letting you get some..lol


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gabe454
526 posts
Mar 11, 2008
7:26 AM
All i can say hector has the fastest crest rollers ive ever seen.
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kopetsa
345 posts
Mar 11, 2008
7:39 AM
I do not even consider that to be a Birmingham Roller.
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gabe454
527 posts
Mar 11, 2008
8:00 AM
ive seen crest out of birmingham rollers seen picture in a book called winners with spinners bred by les bezance owned by g. dexter unless im wrong but i see the crest in that bird.
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j .wanless
8 posts
Mar 11, 2008
9:03 AM
hi all gabe you are right the crests do come off graham dexter.who wrote winners with spinners who i know well.i first came across them in the early 70s at grahams.lots of people in england breed them but with out the muffs.les bazance & peter harper breed them quite regular.nearly all the ones i/ve seen roll or r/down.none of them are stable .when i learn to send photos i/ll send some as a friend of mine has a number of them.
ezeedad
362 posts
Mar 11, 2008
7:28 PM
Why not...?? might as well throw a little opal lace or white bar in there to make it interesting too...LOL..!!...
.....ONLY I"M SERIOUS...!!!
Gomez
jt smash
23 posts
Mar 11, 2008
8:14 PM
Ok guys and girls, I cant hold back anymore ,I hope i don't ruffle anyone's feathers.We here in the United States have created some dynamic pigeons. With no disrespect to MR PEMSOM and the Great roller guys from Birmingham England, and I thank you for the introdction of this pigeon with all of my heart. .The times have changed with the knowledge we have now .we have taken this hobby to a new level.with names like higgings, MONTY Nebel, J smith, Abel, Mason, Ruby Rollers. need I keep going.Look what im trying to say is that guys from caliF to New York and all in between are puttting some outstanding pigeons together. USA is where people are going to want to get there birds from. WE have some serious passion for our birds . WE Are a unique family.let's keep it real and keep sharing the info .REMEMBER THIS statement. KEEP doing What we are doing and you will see and hear what I am talking about JT SMASH
Scott
226 posts
Mar 11, 2008
9:26 PM
Jt , this opinion is based on what ? we sure get spanked hard on the W/C for the amout of qualifiers we have.
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Hector Coya
36 posts
Mar 12, 2008
2:53 PM
Photobucket

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Hector Coya
37 posts
Mar 12, 2008
2:55 PM
PhotobucketPhotobucket
Scott
228 posts
Mar 12, 2008
5:17 PM
Hector, I gotta ask, what on earth is that in the first picture ? that one definetly followed the other breed that was used.
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Hector Coya
38 posts
Mar 12, 2008
5:44 PM
Yea Scott,she is ugly,but she was probably in my top 3 best spinners last year,i didnt stock her for her looks or her crest,i stocked her becouse she was in my top 3 best spinners.
My rule is i stock from the air,if pocible. i cant help it if she had a crest.
She was a verry fast 30 ft and frequent .
Hector Coya
gabe454
549 posts
Mar 12, 2008
5:53 PM
hey scott his crest spin like you wont imagine ive been to his house seen them spin with my own eyes 30 footers plus fast this man has some heat in the air thats all i have to say.
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Scott
230 posts
Mar 12, 2008
5:57 PM
Hector, I'm not talkng about the crest, you didn't fly her long enough that is obvious, she may do something but I can assure you that she doesn't carry the entire package of the Birmingham Roller, because she obviously isn't one. She is some other breed (cross) no if's ands or butts , that one just simply can't be aurgued that it isn't a full blown crossbred.
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Scott
231 posts
Mar 12, 2008
5:58 PM
Gabe, you have a lot to learn about spin if you think some of these birds posted even remotly have that capability
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Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2008 6:00 PM
Hector Coya
39 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:05 PM
I supose these are ok,look at the little beak on these birds tell me thers no throwback to something,these are pure Norm Reed and Higgins.
The beak looks smaller in person.Hector CoyaPhotobucketPhotobucket
George R.
369 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:06 PM
Hector were those bred in individuals or open loft ?
Scott
232 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:13 PM
(I supose these are ok,look at the little beak on these birds tell me thers no throwback to something,these are pure Norm Reed and Higgins.)

What on earth are you talking about Hector ? your kidding, right ? if not you sure are grabbing at straws.

Hector, you talk about wanting to win fly's, but it aint going to happen on your current path , the guys doing well fairly consistancy aren't wasting perch space by taking thier eye off the ball.
Hector I'm done with this, take it any way you want to take it , hopefully you chew on it, if not, enjoy your birds for what they are and what ever they are.
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Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2008 6:16 PM
George R.
371 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:14 PM
Hey Hector how do you resize the pictures ? I did it on photobucket but it still came out Big.
gabe454
550 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:22 PM
Scott maybe i do have alot to learn if you say so. i know hector coya personaly i am not lying in what i say these birds can spin hector coya been around many years and a man of alot of knowledge in rollers if you dont belive me okay look scott ive read lots of books on rollers trying to extend my knoledge in these animals wondering if you have read the book called winners with spinners youll see that in england and man called les bezance bred a bird that was crested owned by grahm dexter if you know who he is he states Dark checker bald crested cock probably the best cock ive ever seen in the roll for many years .deepish(2sec)very tight ,compact and frequently (consistantly)perfect.could you see the crest while it was rolling. thats all i have to say scott.
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Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2008 7:47 PM
Hector Coya
40 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:23 PM
Scott,if you can tell Gabe those birds dont spinn ,just by looking at a picture,my hats off to you,i will hold you above Pensom .
If i never been to your house i whould never have the gutts to look at a picture of your bird and tell you what it dose in the air,man your good.
Hector Coya

George ,Yea those short beaks where bred by some reputable breeders individually. I even Have a Bob Scott with a real short beak,i know he didnt cross them but why the variation in the breed?
Scott
233 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:34 PM
Hector, yea some birds it is an easy call, no doubt about it , that first one you posted aint got it, it won't kit for long if at , and most probaby would land early , why do I know this ? because the showbird that was used for the cross is dominating that birds gene pool, I know what your response is but I don't believe it, and if you know it as truth you should have flown it a little longer.

Gabe,crests or "peaks" will pop up out of some families, not the full crown crests though, mosts crests in this country are from crossbreeding, proof being that first picture of the two.
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Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2008 6:45 PM
henry135
74 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:41 PM
scott i had a pair of birds breading for four years. they were lemeyers line one day i look at there babys one of the baby had a crest i was what the hell going on how do you explane that scot.
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gabe454
551 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:43 PM
Okay scott!
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Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2008 6:44 PM
Scott
234 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:44 PM
Oh lets see where this one goes LOL
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Hector Coya
41 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:45 PM
Scott,in front of me i have an old APJ magazine,1991
page 87,An article from a guy in Orangville Utah, thers pictures too.His name is Steve Turner,he explains how after many years of breeding his Ralph Hilton birds he started to get crestmthese have full crest,I hope you have the magazine,well i dont think it matters,your set in your way,Like President Bush still thinking we are going to find stock piles of weapons of mass destruction in Irak.
Somte people you just cant convince. Hector Coya
gabe454
552 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:46 PM
Scott how long you been around rollers if you dont mind me asking.
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Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2008 6:47 PM
Scott
235 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:47 PM
Hector, Hilton crossed in Achangel on his show stock for the shiney black.
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lil_jess
77 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:47 PM
When I started into Roller back in 2000 off and on...Got myself a large **** roller but mated him to a med. size Hen...Most of the young have crested...I thought it was genetic false so I dump them...But interesting...

























































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Hector Coya
42 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:51 PM
Scott
I lost 80 birds since Sep.to the hawks.Why whould i fly my top 3 birds?
i will fly her again this year,but what ever she dose i can compare to 2 other birds i just put back,they both rolled down the first day out,one is ok and back in the kit,the other broke her tail and cant roll good anymore.Hector C
henry135
76 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:56 PM
whats up hector .
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Hector Coya
43 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:56 PM
Scott
I never said they didnt cross anything to get the crest,im sure Ralph hilton did.the point is that was 40 years ago,and im not crossing anything to get the crest.
You know they crossed many things to get the Bermingham Roller and every other breed,just like anything els.it had to come from some cross,like the dogs came from the wolf's
or where the Poodle already here?
Hector Coya
Hector Coya
44 posts
Mar 12, 2008
6:58 PM
Hey Henry,whats up.
Scott dont beleave you got your crest from 2 regular rollers.
I still have that hen,
thanks Henry she throws some nice birds.Hector C
Hey Henry,tell Scott about those front crest you and i saw at our friends house ,i bred that hen and one young has his feathers going frontwhards,and thats all Norm Reed

Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2008 7:01 PM
gabe454
556 posts
Mar 12, 2008
7:05 PM
hector remember that crest you picked up from sals house that was a crest it was off of a reed pair if im not mistaken you went to pick it up right.sal dont breed crest hummm maybe scott can explain why off a reed pair crest came out.If im correct hector if not correct me.
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Last Edited by on Mar 12, 2008 7:05 PM
henry135
77 posts
Mar 12, 2008
7:14 PM
whats up hector that hen you gave me throws some bad ass crest cant wait to fly the young birds.
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Hector Coya
45 posts
Mar 12, 2008
7:15 PM
Your correct,and i finally bred her to another Reed and the only young that came out has a few feathers going the wrong way maybe they pecked him in the nest like his mother LOL
Hector Coya
henry135
78 posts
Mar 12, 2008
7:18 PM
gabe gave me a darkred very nice hector hope its a cock so that i could put it to your hencrest. to make some 30 feetspin.
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gabe454
560 posts
Mar 12, 2008
7:21 PM
Cant wait for hector to fly in the world cup this year and him throw up those crest and see how many people can see the crest while spinning.
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Edgar
50 posts
Mar 12, 2008
7:22 PM
Henry dont lie you know you got that bird from lauras when you went to peru she even gave you a (Carrito sanwichero)!!!!!!
gabe454
561 posts
Mar 12, 2008
7:23 PM
Hehehehehehehe
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