gabe454
124 posts
Jan 18, 2008
8:23 AM
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DOES ANYONE HAVE RICK SHOENING BIRDS IF SO HOW THE THOSE BIRDS PERFORM, WHAT FAMILY ARE THEY?
454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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155
138 posts
Jan 18, 2008
8:44 AM
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i have some. e/mail to josejimenez155@msn.com
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gabe454
125 posts
Jan 18, 2008
8:46 AM
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GOOD MORNING 155 HOW DO THOSE BIRDS PERFORM WHAT FAMILY DO THEY GO BACK TO?
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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gabe454
127 posts
Jan 18, 2008
8:53 AM
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YEAH SURE ILL EMIAL YOU MY PHONE #
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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155
140 posts
Jan 18, 2008
8:53 AM
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kool...
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Square
1 post
Jan 18, 2008
9:29 AM
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I got some info on theases birds ,, actually been working on them for about 11years...Ill post some pics and more history...
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Square
2 posts
Jan 18, 2008
10:15 AM
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I first started working on thease birds in 97, really hard in 98. I recieved thease birds from Rex Clark of Orland Ca. From Rex i was able to talk to Rick Schoening, Rex got the originals from him. Rick gave me the history on thease birds ,, They go back to Ole Harris and Barry Schackleton. I have not crossed thease birds and I am really happy with the family I have developed off 2pair and one hen. I still have two of the original hens banded "AERS". Rex was a really good friend and there isnt a day spent with my rollers I dont think of and thank him with "eyes Skyward" as the man himself would say. Here are some pics of my "Old English" family.
Square
Last Edited by on Jan 18, 2008 12:52 PM
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gabe454
128 posts
Jan 18, 2008
12:01 PM
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thanks for your info square couldn't see your pictures can you post some thanks
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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Square
11 posts
Jan 18, 2008
12:50 PM
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yea sorry bout that kinda a rookie when it come to this..
Square...
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155
141 posts
Jan 18, 2008
12:51 PM
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my rick birds are ole harris and a shot of ellis mcdonal breed by rick...and you know the rest about them birds. gabe454!
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trevsta65
243 posts
Jan 18, 2008
2:35 PM
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nice birds square i have some birds with the same bloodline as your english . by the way i think its ernie shackleton not barry .cheers trev
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gabe454
129 posts
Jan 18, 2008
2:38 PM
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THANKS FOR THE PICTURES SQUARE,HEY 155 THANKS FOR ALL THE INFO THE THE BIRDS IT WAS A PLEASURE TALKING TO YOU HOPEFULLY WILL MEET UP SOME DAY WISH YOU THE BEST GABE454
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
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hectorvicki2003@yaho
187 posts
Jan 18, 2008
4:13 PM
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Nice video,I didnt get to see any of them roll,are they young?
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Hector Coya - SGVS
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Mount Airy Lofts
385 posts
Jan 18, 2008
4:17 PM
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Rick's got some out standing stock. Can't do any better. Square, those balds looks like the ones I remember from that family.
Thor
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Square
25 posts
Jan 18, 2008
5:41 PM
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Thanx guys, yea havent got any realgood ariel footage im still working on it. thor alot of people have said that about my family, finally got it to where i want it 15 cocks and 15 hens. Thats after working with them as long as i have. Now the real works comes, as I will try to reduce that to 10 pair over the next 3 to five years...
Square..
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elopez
389 posts
Jan 18, 2008
5:49 PM
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Nice Pics Square.
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Efren Lopez
SGVS
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MGS LOFT
32 posts
Jan 18, 2008
5:53 PM
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HEY BOOKER WHERE IS THE SPINN,DIDNT SEE JACK,LOL.......
JUST ROLLDOWNS!!!!J/K HITT ME UP FOOL.....
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Square
26 posts
Jan 18, 2008
5:53 PM
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Thanx, still trying to figure out the photobucket,,,
Square..
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Square
27 posts
Jan 18, 2008
5:57 PM
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NAAA, u know how it gowes they get a little "Hot" up here in the mountains, when they marinate too long... LOL
Square..
Last Edited by on Jan 18, 2008 5:58 PM
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JM420LOFT
17 posts
Jan 18, 2008
6:03 PM
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whats up booker i need that 5secound hen. Did you get the bands i send you?
Last Edited by on Jan 18, 2008 6:04 PM
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wishiwon2
23 posts
Jan 18, 2008
6:29 PM
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Recently Rick has been using some Les Bezance blood as well as his old English stock which includes blood from Harris, Blaas, Huntington and others. He has had the family for a long time and is a master at breeding and flying it. He knows it very well and knows what to add or delete and when.
The birds are very active and roll smooth and clean. They are a medium depth and above average speed but not smoking fast. They're very good team workers, kit like grapes and break together. They arent a family for beginners though as they seem to need strict management and work their best in a fine window of condition. When they are on, there are few better.
Hoping that the birds will like Hawaii.
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Square
28 posts
Jan 18, 2008
6:49 PM
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Yea,420 I got them today, thanx!!! I got 18 ready to band in a week or so....
Square..
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JM420LOFT
20 posts
Jan 18, 2008
7:05 PM
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Where is my 5 secound hen i will get her tonite LOL!
Last Edited by on Jan 18, 2008 7:07 PM
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richard.r
107 posts
Jan 18, 2008
7:26 PM
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Got this hen from Rick in 2004. This will be the 1st year that i'll be useing her, will air test her youngsters.
HOME OF THE KNOCK-OUT STRAIN
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gabe454
142 posts
Jan 18, 2008
7:27 PM
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VERY NICE LOOKING HEN.
454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
Last Edited by on Jan 18, 2008 7:28 PM
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Square
33 posts
Jan 18, 2008
7:32 PM
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Good lookin bird keep me posted...
Square..
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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
1031 posts
Jan 19, 2008
4:06 AM
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Ex cellent looking birds guyzz...
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RUDY PAYEN
PANCHO VILLA LOFT
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sundance
392 posts
Jan 19, 2008
5:04 AM
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nice!!!! some small typy looking birds. are they as small as they look in the photos? I like that tort Richard R...
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
Last Edited by on Jan 19, 2008 5:04 AM
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gotspin7
1262 posts
Jan 19, 2008
5:12 AM
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Nice birds fellas!
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Sal Ortiz
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W@yne
959 posts
Jan 19, 2008
6:09 AM
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Some fine looking birds guys
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Regards
W@yne UK
Patience Perseverance Perfection
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ICEMAN710
95 posts
Jan 28, 2008
5:57 AM
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thanks for posting ricks story, it was very interesting! if you find anymore, keep them coming!
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Gary
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CSRA
1260 posts
Jan 28, 2008
7:11 AM
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Goodluck with all of your experiments keep us posted
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Alohabirds
66 posts
Jan 28, 2008
8:40 AM
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Good read Thor,
Here is one of three cock-birds that Rick has loaned me this year.
P.S. not from "his" family.
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Aloha, Dexter
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2008 2:46 PM
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Square
172 posts
Jan 28, 2008
9:06 AM
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Great breakdown thor.rell liked all the info. some of my originals were really big, and long cast they are still pretti long. but after talking to Rick a few years he told me not to worry bout that as the birds roll well, as i have seen really smooth. You mentioned grizzle on that side and one or my originals was a red grizzle hen and most of them are really deep off her. I pretti much have every color except the red bald heads. i kinda got away from the in my program as alot of them were bigger color had nothing to o with it, however i as able to stoca a really noce 06 red badge cock, that goes bact to the red grizzle hen. here is a pic of on of the last birds Rex Clark sent to me in 05 a blue grizzle cock, and the red grizzle hen i got from his house in 99 and her grandson..
Square..
Last Edited by on Jan 30, 2008 6:11 AM
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Mount Airy Lofts
418 posts
Jan 28, 2008
1:50 PM
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No problem on the info. I just thought some of you guys might enjoy reading it or re reading it again. I found it while searching for some photos for Ray. I filed away some of Rick's foundation photos some where as well but I think Tony is tired of seeing photos. Good luck with the birds...
Thor
P.S. Dexter... that looks like them Hiene birds. Heard Rick picked up some. If so, man you are one lucky SOB for having Rick for a neighbor :)
Last Edited by on Jan 28, 2008 1:53 PM
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Square
174 posts
Jan 28, 2008
2:58 PM
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Hay send some of those photos to my e-mail
pigeonbook@yahoo.com
Square..
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Alohabirds
68 posts
Jan 28, 2008
4:57 PM
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Aloha Thor,
You know your birds!! Yes it is a Bijker bird.
I think the state as a whole, is going to benefit from having an experienced fancier like Rick here guiding us along.
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Aloha, Dexter
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Mount Airy Lofts
420 posts
Jan 30, 2008
5:40 AM
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Square,
Just sent you a couple. I know I have more, just have to dig deeper. I recall saving his foundation current and past photos some where. When I have some free time, I'll look for them.
Thor
P.S. Dexter, I figured so because that bird resembles a lot like the Ron Judd (I think) birds he imported from Mr. Hiene. Looks good, the best of luck to you with the loaners...
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Mount Airy Lofts
421 posts
Jan 30, 2008
5:42 AM
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< When I read that the bird in question was a black grizzle and bred in 1993, I rushed out to the loft to check. Sure enough that hen, 553 is a full sister to my very best stock hen ever!! They had another sister that I gave to Bob Baxter of Pa. He filled his loft with her progeny. She linebred very well for him. His bird is 77( a homer band) and mine is 524. Their father just died Monday. He was a 1989 bird. My friend Bob Lockett of Rockford Illinois bred him out of two birds I sent him. They are pure Barry Shackelton's birds that I imported from John Huntington in 1987. Bob is going to write an article for the NBRC about him. He was 663-89-NBRC
I flew 524 out for 2 solid seasons. She was an outstanding 30 foot spinner with the stuff that make the Shacks noted for. The dead stop at the end of the roll and right back to the kit. Everything that is grizzle in my loft is from this stuff. 553's great grandfather was raised by Bill Barratt out of his Jim Skidmore line. He was an aerial champion and a champion in the breeding loft. Barry Shackeltons family is based around this cock. 553's mother was also down from that cockbird of Barratt's. Gary Tollett of Texas had her father. I shipped him to him after I was full of the gene pool.
I find it fascinating that these three sisters have proved to be great stock birds. I have line bred my 524 for many generations. I wish I had recognized it sooner. This past year I put her on a pure Les Basance bird and stocked three. Two cocks and one hen. I posted the cock birds a week ago. A tort and a black grizzle. Les Basance's birds are all from Barry Shackelton and Graham Dexter.
34-1974-NPA Bronze tort bred by Bill Barratt.
871---------449.
89 - 663--------------
553------------- Blk Grizzle 994
246-87-AERC off of 34
89- 654--------------
Bronze tort 241-87-AERC Barry Shack birds
Hope this helps,
Rick Schoening >
Found this while looking for some photos,
Thor
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Square
191 posts
Jan 31, 2008
11:40 AM
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man I really like thease birds, i am lookin foward to this year>. thanx for all you info oyea thanx for the photos...
Square.
Last Edited by on Jan 31, 2008 11:41 AM
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Mount Airy Lofts
430 posts
Jan 31, 2008
7:21 PM
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This is what made me guess that bird. A photo from Rick a while ago. The photo has two very similar bird. By chance, is that bird in the lot. Photo of Heine's loft and birds.
Thor
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Alohabirds
70 posts
Jan 31, 2008
9:21 PM
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Aloha Thor,
Couple of those birds do look like what Rick brought over but, no they're not in those pics. The Bijker birds that Rick brought here were all bred by him last year. I believe Rich Hayes now has the original imports.
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Aloha, Dexter
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Werstler
3 posts
Jan 31, 2008
9:30 PM
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these are some young english rollers
I got the parents from square
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Alohazona
397 posts
Feb 01, 2008
12:29 AM
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Guys,
Notice the 2x2 wire on the floor of Heine's kit enclosure,a key element in keeping them up on the perch and well rested and not fooling around....Aloha,Todd
Last Edited by on Feb 01, 2008 12:30 AM
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Square
192 posts
Feb 01, 2008
9:37 AM
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Dam Dave those birds look really fimular. LOL, good to see u here bro. looks like the red grizzle hen is doing it for you. I only have four pair of the english down right now, and two teams of 11 one old and one young. been able to get the young birds up everyday early. The are getting better and better each time. I'm shootin for a 11bird comp team, and kinda keep the opperation small this year. I was able to lock down about 15 birds or so from last year. lookin foward to the swapping of some birds agin Bro. stay warm, oyea how is the snowblower working out!!! LOL
Square
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quickspin
941 posts
Nov 25, 2008
11:09 PM
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Gabe,
Do you have any Harris birds?
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SALAS LOFT
I.C.R.C
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gabe454
1360 posts
Nov 25, 2008
11:41 PM
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No hommie never got into these birds bro sorry.
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454
TRIPLE "G" LOFT
L.P.R.C
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ArlenS
120 posts
Nov 26, 2008
9:15 AM
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Todd,
Nice setup. Do you know how he gets access to clean under the floor wire? Does it lift up? I don't see a tray that pulls out. Thanks for sharing.
Last Edited by on Nov 26, 2008 9:17 AM
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Square
608 posts
Nov 26, 2008
10:28 AM
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Ill be giving a couple of young birds off my stuff to a flyer down in L.A this weekend, Hopefully they do good and people can check them out..
Square.
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"Home of the Ghost Town Roller"
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quickspin
1126 posts
Jul 12, 2010
9:49 PM
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Nice birds
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Salas Loft
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