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RUDY..ZUPPPPP
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donnie james
621 posts
Jul 27, 2009
4:31 PM
hay rudy i have to answer this since i moved to the west cost i have to say west cost ..............donny james
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THX DONNY............
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Ty Coleman
881 posts
Sep 05, 2010
4:51 AM
Rudy, this question can not be answerd. I'm sure that you have flown enough kits in comp to see that every judge has a different eye for what he is looking for or have been to fly's and heard the crowd going wild over a kit that you thought should be at the dog trainors. We all have a different view on what we think is the best.
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Rick Mee
71 posts
Sep 05, 2010
8:38 AM
Man, I see this is a thread that has been going on for quite some time.

Texas
Mee
Teal
Hamilton

83 Members in TX, 1 MF for every 28

MT
Hayes
Schoening

12 Members in MT, 1 MF for every 6


Canada
Neibel

30 Members in Canada, 1 MF for every 15

CA
Decker
Higgins
Ouellette
Gibson
McCray
Jones
Emberton
Ajlouni
Campbell

426 Members in CA, 1 MF per 43

UT
Rand
Starley

33 Members in UT, 1 MF per 17
NM
Easley

10 Members in NW, 1 MF per 10

England
Mason

Hard to figure since most English do not belong to the NBRC who actively participate, but there are a bunch of them.

MO
Westfall

40 Members in MO, 1 MF per 40

Holand
Bijker

Again like England, not many from this country are NBRC members.

ID
Billings

16 Members in ID, 1 MF per 16

NC
Hoyle
Stuka

44 Members in NC, 1 MF per 22

OH
Miller

28 Members in OH, 1 MF per 28

WA
Stephens

35 Members in WA, 1 MF per 35

LA
Thibideoux

8 Members in LA, 1 MF per 8

So lets add up all the members who have Master Fliers within their confines who do not live within CA, then compare their numbers to that of CA. I will exclude Canada since they are not part of the US and the only Master Flier from Canada is Monty Neibel who is deceased.

TX 83-3
MT 12-2
UT 10-1
MO 40-1
ID 16-1
NC 22-2
OH 28-1
WA 35-1
LA 8-1

Total is 254-13

In comparison to CA 426-10

Lets take it a bit further, shall we....

This means that the number of Master Fliers within the US outside of CA equates to 1 per 20 members.

Within the confines of CA it is 1 Master Flier per 43.

Pound for pound I would have to say that the guys outside of CA have it hands down.
Scott
3132 posts
Sep 05, 2010
9:47 AM
Rick.. you have way way to much time on your hands LOL.. you gained very few master flyer points in Texas.. does that count ? and when you take Ca. with the bulk of the flyers in the country .. of course it is going to have the lowest average.
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Last Edited by on Sep 05, 2010 9:57 AM
Scott
3133 posts
Sep 05, 2010
9:52 AM
Ty .. the view on what is good only changes due to the standards (or lack of)of the individule's.
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Rick Mee
72 posts
Sep 05, 2010
12:55 PM
Scott, are you bad at math or something? I am, I forgot 1 Master Flier from UT, Guil Rand. This means that outside of CA within the US there are actually 14 Master Fliers, not 13 as I previously counted. Now if you add up all of the members within those states that they come from you come up to 254 members according to my March-April 2009 membership directory....who knows where my 2010 is. In comparison, there are 10 Master Fliers from the great state of CA, there are 426 members in the state of CA.

Now lets do some simple mate Scott, get your fingers extended and crayons out buddy. LOL

14 Master Fliers in the US outside of CA, membership from those states totaling 254. This means that 1 out of every 19 members within those states combined have a Master Fliers residing.

10 Master Fliers in CA out of 426 members means that 1 out of every 43 members in CA there is a Master Flier residing.

Remember, before I quit flying competitively in 2000 after Monty died I was tied with Starley for the most Master Flier Points at 985. After the 2000 WC I basically quit flying due to military duties for six years which consisted of two moves and a deployment to Iraq. I started flying in 2007 in TX and have accumulated 355 Master Flier points since then. Not bad for a guy who is Cooper infested, flies in the extreme heat, want to move here and try it on for size? LOL I already have 2 other Master Fliers to contend with, 20 bird national champions, 11 bird national champions. Pound for pound, we have one of the toughest regions to qualify in if you take everything in to consideration.

Scott, you said I have gained very few Master Flier points since moving to TX. Well, if you look at what each Master Flier has done since 2007 then you will see that only Rich Hayes, Heine Bijker, and Aubrey Thibideoux have accumulated more points then I have. Rich has no BOPs, nor does Heine. Weird thing about Aubrey is all the guys within just a few miles of him have BOPs up the butt, however he does not. I flew in the same region with Aubrey for 7 years and have been to his place several times and either stayed the night as his house or his son's Jay, Aubrey is for real!

On a mission Scott, trying to get back to the top of that list....one fly at a time.
jerrylynn
73 posts
Sep 05, 2010
5:11 PM
Yes sir Kenny you do speak the whole truth!!!!

Jerry
Scott
3134 posts
Sep 06, 2010
5:09 PM
Easy Ricky .. all I was saying is that you aint from Texes.. no need to go measuring weiners LOL
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Rick Mee
77 posts
Sep 06, 2010
5:11 PM
Scott, I really am upset that you weren't at the convention! I really enjoyed our time running around together when you were here judging, wish we lived closer.

I am a TX transplant, some call me a yankee, haven't you heard? LOL

Talk later
Scott
3136 posts
Sep 06, 2010
5:19 PM
Yea sorry I missed it bud.. I enjoyed your company also .. just couldn't do it with this used car dealership that we opened.
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Rick Mee
78 posts
Sep 06, 2010
5:29 PM
I heard form several what you were doing. Make a million and get back to flying pigeons full time, nothing better bud.
LaunchingPad
16 posts
Sep 06, 2010
9:04 PM
East Coast
katyroller
759 posts
Sep 07, 2010
8:26 AM
Numbers would suggest that the W.Coast has more Master fliers. This SHOULD be expected since they have the highest number of fanciers. With the higher number of fanciers, it seems reasonable to expect that more quality birds would be produced on the W.Coast. It's all a numbers game, not a matter of who is better.
Tracey
LaunchingPad
17 posts
Sep 08, 2010
5:29 AM
East Coast
Scott
3138 posts
Sep 08, 2010
7:34 AM
It it soley an individule effort
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rollerpigeon1963
317 posts
Sep 08, 2010
8:13 AM
Instead of master flier points use world cup and NBRC final wins. I think that would be a big difference. Because if your from say North Carolina and win the World Cup and say a couple of the National Championships over everyone else might make a difference.
Lets say if your from Mississippi and there isn't may flyiers down there and you win everything coming and going but you never could win the big dance. Does it say that your area isn't as tough as it needs to be? Or if your from Mississippi and they have some great tough flyiers in your area and there is 3 or 4 of you that make the regions and go on to win the W/C and National fly or at the top year after year which one speaks for itself? Just asking because some of the larger regions has a better chance of putting different people at the top on any given year. There is a lot of things to weigh in on that topic. But all in all it all looks good on paper LOL LOL
later Brian
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Ballrollers
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2528 posts
Sep 08, 2010
8:18 AM
Excellent points, Brian! The issue is not quite so simple.

Scott
That is an interesting thought of yours, "It is solely an individual effort.". I see it a little differently, though. Without the support of all the region's flyers to help make the qualifier number, even the best kit would not be able to reach the finals.
Yes, they are your birds, and yes you are the only one in charge of the feed and proper conditioning; but without regional support, none of us would get to the finals.
The "REGION'S" effort to support their qualifiers should not be taken for granted.
Like it or not, we are all in this together, to support each other and share with each other. The "supporting " kits make it possible for each qualifier to reach the finals.
Cliff

Last Edited by on Sep 08, 2010 8:21 AM
katyroller
763 posts
Sep 08, 2010
9:23 AM
Scott,
I agree reaching the position of Master Flyer is a individual effort. I would not be foolish enough to take away credit from anyone who has earned the title.
The original question was which coast had the better fliers and birds. I believe the W. coast probably has the better birds and fliers because of the high number of fanciers and clubs on the W. coast. With so many clubs in the SoCal area, I would feel safe to say that those fliers probably have more flys to participate in. I think we both agree competition leads to better fliers and better birds.

Tracey
Rick Mee
82 posts
Sep 08, 2010
9:38 AM
From the USA in the last ten years in the WC finals there have been 16 fliers make the top 10 from the state of CA, 22 from outside the state of CA.

In the WC finals 2010 there were 27 fliers from outside of CA, 18 from CA.

Here is something interesting. Keeping in mind that many of the states who have fliers doing well now did not start to compete in the WC much later than the guys in CA did.

From 2001-2005 there were 21 fliers from the USA who made the top 10 in the WC finals, 12 were from outside CA, 9 were from CA.

From 2006-2010 there have been 15 fliers from the USA who mae the top 10 in the WC finals, 5 are from CA, 9 are from outside of CA.

In the last three years 8 fliers from the USA have made the top 10 list in the WC finals, only 1 is from CA.

Do you guys see how the states outide of CA have progressively gotten better?

The best birds are not in CA, they are spread out all over the USA. There are more good birds being flown in CA due to sheer numbers, but not necessarily the best birds, nor the best fliers.

Now I need to get back outside and fly some more kits, trying to get them in the air between rain showers. LOL

Here is something for someone to research. From all the guys in the last 10 years who have made the WC finals and placed in the top 10, chart quality and depth multipliers and compare the fliers ourside of CA, to the fliers inside of CA. I have not done so, YET, but I would bet I know the outcome.

Not trying to say one group has better birds than the others, just trying to state facts based upon historical data at all of our disposal.
Rick Mee
83 posts
Sep 08, 2010
10:12 AM
OK, I knew no one else would do this so here you go. These are the multipliers awarded for the fliers kits who placed in the top 10 in the WC finals for the last 10 years outside of the CA

1.4 X 1.4
1.5 X 1.4
1.4 X 1.4
1.3 X 1.5
1.4 X 1.2
1.6 X 1.6
1.7 X 1.4
1.4 X 1.4
1.5 X 1.4
1.6 X 1.4
1.3 X 1.3
1.2 X 1.2
1.7 X 1.6
1.5 X 1.5
1.5 X 1.5
1.5 X 1.5
1.7 X 1.5
1.5 X 1.3
1.6 X 1.5
1.6 X 1.5
1.6 X 1.4
1.6 X 1.5

Avg 1.509 for Quality, 1.472 for Depth

CA

1.5 X 1.3
1.4 X 1.5
1.5 X 1.4
1.4 X 1.5
1.4 X 1.4
1.4 X 1.3
1.7 X 1.5
1.5 X 1.4
1.4 X 1.5
1.4 X 1.4
1.4 X 1.4
1.4 X 1.2
1.6 X 1.6
1.4 X 1.5
1.5 X 1.5

Average Quality 1.473, 1.426 for depth.

So here is the comparison so it is easier to read and you don't have to keep scrolling back and forth.

Top 10 finalsist over the last 10 years who have made the top 10 from OUTSIDE of CA from the US.

Average 1.509 for Quality, 1.472 for Depth.

From CA 1.473 for Quality, 1.426 for Depth.

There may be more good birds being flown in CA due to sheer numbers, but are the best birds, are the best fliers, really from CA?

If my math is wrong let me know, rain stopped and I need to get back outside.

Rick
Ballrollers
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2529 posts
Sep 08, 2010
12:15 PM
No matter how you come down on this issue, and we can see that the numbers are quite close, but it is still a generalization. Generalizations are rarely accurate in their real depiction of the state of affairs. Another factor to consider in this issue is that certain areas of the country tend to gravitate towards certain families more.....Northwest-Kiser/Borges; Southern Cal-Reed/Higgins; Eastern US-James Turner and Danny Horner. Perhaps this could be having an impact. But again, it is a generalization and not accurate becasue there are other families interspersed in most all areas of the country.
JMHO,
Cliff

Last Edited by on Sep 08, 2010 12:16 PM
Rick Mee
84 posts
Sep 08, 2010
12:40 PM
Cliff, I come up with some facts based upon historical data and you call it a genralization? LOL If it wasn't raining today I bet no one would have ever broke it down like that for you. LOL

Hey, I am not saying that one part of the country has better birds than the other, just trying to open some eyes. I do think at one time that the CA fanciers were a cut above the rest of the country because they had been flying 20 bird competitions way before the guys, for example, in your neck of the woods.

It will be interesting to see if the guys east of CA will continue to do well in the WC finals....eight guys from the US have made the top 10 in the last 3 years and only one of them from CA....in comparison to the number of participants from CA compared to the rest of the country. Something going on there.

Cliff, not generalizations, what I am writing is based on just a little research which is accessible to everyone.

Hey, should I do this for the NCF too? LOL

I will tell you what, I will let you pull my back teeth out if you can find any state that has dominated the NCF like the state of TX. I don't have all the historical data, but I know that Monroe, Hamilton, and Teal have won the 20 bird. Johnson won the 11, so did Joyner, they also both placed high a couple of times, as have others in both the 20 and 11 in TX. I know there are guys from your area that have won the 11 and 20.
rollerpigeon1963
318 posts
Sep 08, 2010
1:00 PM
Hey Rick,
Thanks for the break down on the finals. I knew it would give you something to do for a few hours LOL LOL. You are correct there is good birds all over the USA. You and I have been from coast to coast and seen the good, the bad and the ugly. Thats what makes this hobby so interesting! so many factors we have to account for to have the perfect day. And when you have large regions it does make it tougher to win in. It makes everyone dig deeper for better. Like around here we had 50 plus fliers and we all worked a lot harder with the birds. Now there is just 2 or 3 of us and we don't even go around and visit no more its more of a backyard thing. Kinda say when we had some great birds around this area. Along with some top notch fliers. But its a ghost town and right now I love to watch the birds but there isn't nothing to drive me to work harder with them.
Brian
Rick thanks again for the stats! Hope to see ya soon.
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katyroller
764 posts
Sep 08, 2010
1:02 PM
Rick,
Are you sure you are a TX transplant and not a Native Son?

Tracey
gotspin7
2711 posts
Sep 08, 2010
1:40 PM
Rick, great work and thanks for sharing!

One question, how many of you think that the predator problem CA faces might be skewing those #'s? I am sure we all get hit, I just don't we think we get hit like they do. I mean when I lived there anything with wings would come in and get one! Averaged losses a year were over a hundred birds. Just brought back bad memories!
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Sal Ortiz
Rick Mee
85 posts
Sep 08, 2010
1:59 PM
Sal, some guys don't have it that bad. I was suprised that during the convention we did not witness one attack. Personally, at the other house just a few miles away I lost 60 my first year before I learned a bit about central TX migration. Believe me, there are guys outside of CA who have it worse. A friend of mine who flys my birds in CA has not lost a one in over a year, Scott Campbell in northern CA don't loose that many. So what I am saying is, some in CA have it bad, some have it not bad at all.

From some of the CA guys I have talked to, some feel that others are just adding to the problem by producing big numbers and willingly sacraficing many so they can have a few to fly thus are just attracting BOPs and teaching them that there is a constant food source for them. Some guys in CA just are not happy about this and feel that this philosophy is just adding to the problem. Some who do not perscribe to the breed big numbers and take your losses philosophy, who fly more conservatively and lock down when they need to due to migration do not loose quite as many. I spoke to a few guys at the convention about this.

Part of the problem, at least in S. CA is there are several clubs that keep flying during migration. Personally, if I lived there I would not fly club competition and would save my best birds for the WC and NCF.

Last Edited by on Sep 08, 2010 2:02 PM
jerrylynn
74 posts
Sep 08, 2010
5:37 PM
Hi Rick

The BOPS are the reason I gave up the sport after 30 years they took most all that I bred every year the loses were terrible. I even had a family of Red Tails that learned to pick them off and once the Falcons moved in that was the end of that. I tried everything locking them down flying every other day down to once a week no luck. I have to give you guys that are still hanging in there a whole lot of credit for doing so. Best wishes to all Jerry Lynn
gotspin7
2712 posts
Sep 09, 2010
4:44 AM
Rick, Jerry Lynn is just one example on how the bop's are in certain areas of Southern California. I lived in Ontario California and I got hit by the cooper, falcon and Redtail daily, I mean all three took one daily...LOL... It did not matter if I shut down for a week a month or year as soon as I let them back out they were taking one each, I do not think their is no migration when it comes to certain areas, they stay there period. I also still have a lot of friends that I keep in touch with and this is still what I hear from them daily, I doubt that any of them even have a bird in their kit over 2 years old. I lived there and I am only speaking on what I experience while living in that area, I know areas like the High Desert or say South Gate for instance, they got it worse. Just some FYI for you and nothing more.

Now in the area I live, all I get is the cooper and I shut down once it comes for a few weeks and I get to fly for a few more weeks and then we do it again...LOL... You just got to keep strong and fly or die as we used to say in Cali...LOL...

One more thing, man it would be nice to have like you have. That is flying kits all day! Rick, I am jealous...LOL..

I have another question, how many of those guys not flying from California, are flying California bred stock such as (Jerry Higgins birds or others?) Talk to you soon.
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J_Star
2331 posts
Sep 09, 2010
4:57 AM
I have been to the last four NBRC conventions. But the birds in LA are the most frequent and the deepest I have seen thus far in one area. They still need to work on some quality issues but that can be argued explaining that the molt is causing the quality issue at that time.

However, I believe that a mature kit of their birds with the right handler would do very well in any competition every time.

After what I have seen, now I understand why the conflict started with that region where some competitors wanted to split up and create their own region. My understanding is that it was a conflict between the old blood and the new blood…I have seen both.

Jay
Rick Mee
86 posts
Sep 09, 2010
6:04 AM
Jerry, I met you with Rob Herle back in 1996, you still driving that Corvette I think it was?

I know the BOPs suck in some areas, man I know of guys in other parts of the US who have it just as bad. I moved just about 6 miles from my old place as the crow flies, over there I lost 60 out of 100, over here much less. It has a lot to do with terrain. The last place was on the side of a hill, this is out in farm land.

Sal, I busted my butt to be able to fly pigeons all day long, enjoying my preserverence. LOL Come on down and visit any time. And yes, there are a lot of guys who have CA stock around the country.

Jay, one thing I saw at everyone's place in CA was lots of roll! That in itself was very impressive. Some conventions you go to you may see just a few good birds, they had lots of good good birds. The moult and heat I believe afected some things I like to see in a kit like tighter kiting, more concert performance, higher wing style, etc. If they would have flown a few months later in cooler temps I think we would have seen them even better...and they were good!

Nice seeing you again by the way Jay.
J_Star
2332 posts
Sep 09, 2010
6:22 AM
Always nice to see you Rick and the pleasure is mine. Like I said, if you ever want any help with R&A pay, just let me know and I will get the ball moving with the right people. I wish JoeBob was there as I enjoy his company also.

Jay

Last Edited by on Sep 09, 2010 6:32 AM
J_Star
2333 posts
Sep 09, 2010
6:31 AM
Where I live, sometimes I wish a cooper will come by to visit me to kick the birds to fly higher. I used complain in past that my birds are skying out, now I want them to fly higher. What gives!

Jay
rollerpigeon1963
319 posts
Sep 09, 2010
6:34 AM
Rick,
With so many fliers in California you have a fellowship that keeps you driving towards one goal. Like I was saying here in Ohio we had some great fliers. Which pushed us in being better or raising better birds. But when everyone got out for one reason or another its like the quality has dropped. Because its more of a backyard thing instead of a competition thing. I know in California you have so many fliers you can visit in a day and talk and discuss birds, feeding and conditioning. Where here you have to drive more than two hours to even see another loft. So I can see an advantage in the california area where you have an abundant of fliers. With everyone visiting you and talking birds it keeps you pumped up and wanting to impress the next guy. I know there is some serious guys that work hard on their birds that live in remote places. They push themselves for better where some just are happy to have rollers just flying for their own enjoyment.
I know by the end of this month I will be in lockdown for 6 months and you know how exciting that is? LOL LOL But if I try and fly they will die loosing up to 5 a day if I fly during the fall and winter months. So that helps to take the excitement out of the hobby. But I will say this is probably the best year I have had with the birds. I mean raising and seeing the progress they have made.
Brian
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J_Star
2335 posts
Sep 09, 2010
6:49 AM
Brian, when are you coming up north and visit? My birds have come along way from the time you've seen them. The short spinners are now deeper with some are as deep as the ones in LA. I did not breed much the last two seasons because I wanted to work with the teams that I have and create an old bird team. Now I have that. I am excited about the coming season because I am going to breed a ton of them. I am adding few more breeders from the batch I am flying now and retiring some old breeders.

I know the excitement diminishes in the winter because of the lock up. I lock up also from the time when the time change until March. Mostly because I can not stand standing in the freezing cold and snow watching the birds and the winds around Lake Erie is funny and causes me lots of losses in the winter flying.

I know what you are saying about Ohio is dying. This RD stuff is tough in a region where no one wants to fly competition. I am thinking about giving up the RD spot. However, I have new ideas that I am going to apply this spring to recruit flyers from around my area. As you know my property faces to major highways, I am going to put up advertising signs, the size that is allowed by city audience, to attract competitive people to the hobby. The signs will have the heading of “Competition Flyers Wanted”. I am going to put an ad in the Pet Supply section in the news paper and put fliers at feed stores, mama & papa stores, tractor supply among others…I am sure going to try.

Jay

Last Edited by on Sep 09, 2010 6:57 AM
gotspin7
2714 posts
Sep 09, 2010
8:11 AM
Jay, I also live in a remote area and I think that is a great idea to get more involved in our hobby. Also will you please e-mail me at sortiz@arvest.com I have a couple questions for you. Thanks!
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Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2530 posts
Sep 09, 2010
8:41 AM
Rick,
It's been awhile since I did my Master's Thesis and statistical analysis of data, but a difference in Quality points of .036 out of a possible 2.0 points is only a 1.8% difference between CA and the rest of the country. A difference in Depth points of .046 is only a 2.3% difference between the two samples (CA as one sample and and the rest of the country as the other sample). That level of variation would seem to be insignificant. For one thing it is well within a margin for error, statistically, and not much of a basis for conclusions as to the differences in the performance of the two samples. So even though you used numbers, Rick, it still appears to be a genrealization that the rest of the country has better birds than California, based on the numbers you provided. If there are any statistics whizzes on this site, maybe they can shed some light on the statistical anlaysis of the data and correct me if I am wrong. But I appreciate your intention to use data to draw your conclusions rather than just heresay, bias, or personal opinion, Rick. I give you credit for that! LOL!
Cliff

Last Edited by on Sep 09, 2010 8:45 AM
Rick Mee
89 posts
Sep 09, 2010
9:05 AM
Cliff, you took what information I provided and automatically assumed I was trying to say that the birds east of CA are better, I did not. What I was trying to convey is that for those who think the birds in CA are better, based upon performances in our two big flies that are held within the hobby, there is no evidence to show that this is to be true. More concentrated good birds due to population, but birds and breeders better is not the case. That is all I am trying to say Cliff. At one time I was up to having seen 350 different guys fly their birds, that is not counting for example seeing your birds 3 times, JoeBob's 20 or more, that is 350 different guys put their birds up across the US, Canada, and 2 weeks spent in England many moons back. On top of that add just having judged the NW, UT, then attending the convention, probably up to about 400 now. LOL From having seen this many kits I can tell you this. The best birds are where the best fliers are! There is no one family that dominates! There are guys out there who have taken a bird from here, a bird from there, and they are very successful in doing so.

Now not contradicting what I just wrote, but 7 of the last 8 guys over the last 3 years from the US who have made the top 10 in the WC finals not being from CA is something that I really am going to keep my eye on.
CSRA
1785 posts
Sep 09, 2010
9:56 PM
Mr Mee all i can tell you is Cali has a lot of issues due to bop you really have no idea unless you live here wow sometimes i lose 5 at one time they are not leaving year round here there breeding them in captivity there's guys riding around up here with 2 to 3 in there trucks you have got to see this you really should move in my neighborhood then you would understand since early april 25 08's have been taken i have yearlings left my best are gone theres nothing you can say unless you have walk up are roads lol

talk to you soon bud

Last Edited by on Sep 09, 2010 9:58 PM
CSRA
1786 posts
Sep 09, 2010
10:00 PM
oh yes guys here have been in trouble and not for trapping squirrels lol
Rick Mee
93 posts
Sep 10, 2010
5:28 AM
Mr Mee all i can tell you is Cali has a lot of issues due to bop you really have no idea unless you live here wow sometimes i lose 5 at one time they are not leaving year round here there breeding them in captivity there's guys riding around up here with 2 to 3 in there trucks you have got to see this you really should move in my neighborhood then you would understand since early april 25 08's have been taken i have yearlings left my best are gone theres nothing you can say unless you have walk up are roads lol

talk to you soon bud
Last Edited on 9-Sep-2010 9:58 PM

Then why don't all the guys in your area stop flying as soon as the BOPs show up for a entire season, possibly they will learn to leave you alone? Any time I get one hanging around here I lock down for a week, they usually move on.

I bet you are in a club, right? If you guys are flying club flies when you know you are most likely going to get hit, well come on man???

My first year in TX I lost 60 from mid Oct - end of April. I lived on the side of a hill between two hills, the doves and other birds, as well as BOPs just filtered through there like files. It also did not help that about 1/2 mile down the road there were hundreds of pigeons sitting on top of a convenience store. Now these 60 I lost, this was not from flying every day, it was flying conservatively. It got so bad one day that I told my wife were going to move....so that is what we did. I have had these birds since I was 9 years old, there was no way I was going to give them up! I moved out to the country just a few miles from where I lived before, a much more open area, and now I get far fewer. Now you may not be able to relocate, but what you can do, that is if you are having club flies, is trying not to have club flies for a year. Establish good rolling kits, fly them for the WC and NCF, lock them down when the BOPs show up again in the spring and fall. Now if you have them all year round then I feel for you. My friend Rich Hayes up in MT only has BOPs for about 3 weeks a year and only looses maybe 1 bird a year, maybe we all need to move there. LOL

Seriously brother, I feel your pain.
Ballrollers
GOLD MEMBER
2532 posts
Sep 10, 2010
6:32 PM
Rick,
OK, I see. I misunderstood...I was going from the name of this topic and thread and mistakenly thought your statistics were leading in that direction...no problem, my error.
Cliff
jerrylynn
75 posts
Sep 12, 2010
4:40 PM
Hi Rick

It was a Z28 Camaro no more fast cars I have 2 grandsons one is 4 and the other is 2. They spend a lot of time with me so now it is an SUV with safety seats!! Those fun days are pretty much over now. If I had known that the grand kids were going to be so much fun I would have had them first! LOL! Hvae a good day.

Jerry Lynn


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