joey mac
23 post s
17-May-2008
2:19 PM
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I am going in to rollers can some one tell me how deep do they need to be for competion. I am going to join the mrpc because i live in birmingham and the is no clubs left .
Last Edited on 18-May-2008 1:45 AM
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norlan hollingate
101 post s
18-May-2008
2:50 AM
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hi joey there is no depth regulations for competition at the end of the day it is what u want n like u will only fly in comps a few times a year but u will fly the birds every day for ur own pleasure i personally like a bit of depth but the main thing is the speed n tightness of the birds this is were the quality comes in because those loose baggy ones look like a paper bag blowing about most lads i know go for the quality with decent depth short birds oftern look buzzy just my oplnion mate its up to u in the end good look
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W@yne
1319 post s
18-May-2008
3:09 AM
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Joey
World cup rules are minimum depth 10 feet.
I like my self 15 ft to around 30 foot for comp but seeing xtra deep birds is great to watch but i live in a far too built up area for xtra deep birds. Regards
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Last Edited on 27-May-2008 12:53 PM
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norlan hollingate
102 post s
18-May-2008
4:23 AM
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hi wayne u always find a rule u spend 2 much time reading [lol] lets have it right how many times have u been to flys world cup or other flys n seen birds dooing 6-8 ft n still get scored i think most people dream about the depth of their birds take an average house from flags to the top of the chimney pot is approx 26 ft if u picture that to the size of rollers at a distance that would be fantastic lets all throw a few quid in n get someone to video our birds n then calk the depth i dont think any of us will have a good score in the world cup [dont tell the judge about the 10 ft rule] me personally dont take note of many rules in life they cause moor problems than wat there werth n bog u down i aint read the aerc national or world cup rules i just fly my birds if i break a rule by accident iam sure someone will let me know n if i get d.q hard luck [not having a go at u mate as they say rules are there to be broken love u lots norman] xxxxxxxxx
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Errol
15 post s
18-May-2008
5:10 AM
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Hi all,sorry to but in,i live in a built up area,have lost alot of good birds that roll deep,i have to have birds that are fast rollers but short and come out the roll quick still looks good in kit,that fits my area, anything else i might as well give up.
Keep um rolling
Errol.
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Shaun
585 post s
18-May-2008
6:39 AM
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Yeah, I find deep birds hit the tops of tall trees. I do like to watch them when they're higher up, but they always struggle to get back to the kit when they come out of the roll. Often they just become outbirds. Shaun
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joey mac
24 post s
18-May-2008
8:19 AM
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THANKS guys. i've got a old black tard dun cock whick is 12 foot solid so it could a long time get the family going.SO i will be looking for a hen to go with him in the next few months for next breeding season. ps picture later.
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joey mac
26 post s
18-May-2008
8:52 AM
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W@yne
1321 post s
18-May-2008
10:49 AM
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Norman friend
A good judge shouldn't score a bird that rolls less than 10ft in my honest opinion any pigeon that doesnt resemble a true Birmingham roller shouldn't be scored this includes depth as a major factor.
Norman you would be surprised how fast and how quick a roller can reach 10 ft in depth.
If i was to fly rollers that rolled less than 10 ft i might as well go to spinner jim and get some of his red badges (No offence Jim )Lol.
Norman ive seen your birds fly many times and they are a lot deeper than 10 ft so stop winding me up Lol.
On a more serious note this is what the forum is about debates and subjects like this so any one want to add to this go ahead i would like more views if pssible on this depth subject.
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Last Edited on 18-May-2008 10:50 AM
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charlie boy
54 post s
18-May-2008
12:06 PM
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so if i have a roller that does 9 feet are you telling me its a badge lol i have a roller that rollers about that. and its one of what i think is one of my fastest rollers. speed (quality) comes before depth thats were alot of people go wrong well thats my opinion if anyone cares lol. i think it says somewere i think its the all england the bird has to roll 10 feet to be a true birmingham roller but like norman was saying its what you want. [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[each to there own lol]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
Last Edited on 18-May-2008 12:19 PM
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Errol
16 post s
18-May-2008
12:16 PM
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Charlie,good point,for me its the speed and tightness,that hole,stopping sharp and going back to the kit.
In the Euro Cup we might have to use meters, otherwise no one will understand what the hell we are talking about.
keep um rolling
Errol
Last Edited on 18-May-2008 12:17 PM
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charlie boy
55 post s
18-May-2008
12:21 PM
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now then errol nice to see you on here hope you are ok
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dave bristol
24 post s
18-May-2008
12:39 PM
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I was with Bob Brown and Earnie Stratford and both of these said that the main thing to consentrate on is speed, depth will follow and if it was possable to breed rollers that would spin for 5+ seconds without losing height this would be a fantastic sight, the only birds I saw that gave you an insight into true depth of descent was at Ron Adams and these were rolling down against the back ground of a tower block which was very close to his back garden and you could count the floors as they dropped
Charlie you can send me as many of your 9ft fast spinning rollers any time
Dave
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norlan hollingate
103 post s
18-May-2008
12:47 PM
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exectly wayne it takes a real man to see someone elses opinion n make coment not to spit there dummy out like some do this site is for discusion n most of the time most people view things diferently n u should always voice your opinion after all i believe in this country you are suposed to have freedom of speech i do believe that i am a good judge of depth because being in the building trade n doing lots of roofing etc u get to judge lots hights [to lazy to use my tape lolll] like j.w doing scafolding u look at a job n say so many lifts at 6 ft u just seem to get an eye for it i think most of the lads in the roller job are in the building trade anyway i do stand my ground n believe that most of our birbs dont do 30-40 ft ibelieve 8-20 ft lana read the world cup rule of depth n it is realy to the disgresion of the judge so is it 10ft to one man may look 8 or14 to the next man our squeeky little m8 who always says 30-40ft bol---------s i have told him loads of times it will always be a hard one but surley it must be the distancce the birds are times the hight times the depth of each roll it would be much easier if a large building was behind the birds u could calk the 2 distances ho shi---- n bollo----- my head has just exploded haaaaa heeeeee lollllllllll xxxx
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W@yne
1323 post s
18-May-2008
12:50 PM
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Charlie
I also like speed in the roll but where do you draw the line. Tell me this would you breed for a kit of 10ft rollers? Because this would look like a bunch of fast activity.(dizzy) This is why the depth factor comes into play in the world cup and i also think its the right way forward. Charlie ask Spinner jim the badge pigeons can ball up fast and shallow roll and this is not the style i look for mate in a roller Just my honest opinion. But if you got some of the above that Dave is mentioning then you may have something special but these birds are a champion bird in the making and a very rare and special sight i only seen this type of bird once. Thanks Norman this is what we want a good debate lol.
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Last Edited on 18-May-2008 9:35 PM
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Shaun
591 post s
18-May-2008
12:58 PM
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I haven't found a good method of establishing how far a roller has dropped in terms of distance - especially if they're quite high up. I prefer to count time in the roll, so rather than feet, I'll think to myself - that one's a half second roller (so quite short), that one's about a second (medium) - and that one's a couple of seconds, which looks to be quite some distance and is very nice indeed. Shaun
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W@yne
1324 post s
18-May-2008
1:14 PM
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Thats a good guide Shaun that many of us use.
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norlan hollingate
105 post s
18-May-2008
1:19 PM
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bigup charlie how u doing mate a kit doing 9-12 ft tight n fist would blow u away n win any comp if they were flying at 60-80ft i would have to change mi duds wat we dont want is the 6ft birds to many people believe that there birds are actually deeper than what they are ive seen badges n think they do about 3-4 ft
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j .wanless
139 post s
18-May-2008
1:28 PM
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hey lads you all know i like deepish birds.but ask charlie about the bird we called the spuggy thats a nick name for a sparrow for you sutheners lol.a real tiny bird that rolled about 10 foot/ but every time it rolled who ever was at my house would pick it out it was awesome. 2 people took it to bread off it was that good but it was so small it wouldnt lay.i ended up loosing it in a flyaway i was gutted .but i flew it with all my old birds & they are quite deep but people always picked her out????????
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charlie boy
56 post s
18-May-2008
3:05 PM
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You must have a pigeon in your kit that rolls the same all the time and when this pigeon is low you can measure the roll to a degree. so for instance i have a dark tail that rolls 8-10ft and when they are up in the air and when they break i look at the dark tail and that rolls for just short of 2 seconds so therefore i can measure from that.Our lass is having a debate with me saying how the hell can you measure it in the sky is there bloody tape measures there lol i said to her in my opinion it rolls 8-10ft but it might be only 6-8 or 10-12 it's only my opinion.Everybody could have a different view of the depth. By the way John that spuggy was something special
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Errol
17 post s
18-May-2008
10:02 PM
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Hi Charlie thanks for asking,doing just fine,just miss home(uk)somtimes,got 17 young birds from Helmut last night the same line you saw at his loft,hope they do me proud.Things can only get better!!!
Keep um rolling
Errol.
Last Edited on 18-May-2008 10:03 PM
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ducket
11 post s
19-May-2008
12:18 AM
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Hej Lads & Lasses,
What you can try doing, is measure the wing span of one of your birds, it will be approx 60 cm`s ( approx 23 inches )so 4 birds flying side by side should be approx 3 meter ( 9 feet )you can use the birds themselves to determin depth, a minimum depth anyway, and it do`s not matter what height they fly it will still give you an idea as to what depth they are rolling.
Eric, Denmark.
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spinner jim
305 post s
19-May-2008
9:40 AM
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Wayne ,how dare you discuss my badges behind my back lol,where do i start ?,now and again you do come across the odd badge that rolls a twenty but not very often,the thing is it looks out of place flying with tens so people move em on ,if you watch a good kit of badges you will see plenty of activity (like wayne says busy)but only short rolls in comparison to the brs,but the main difference i think is in the kitting,they stick together very tight and are easy to score (in my opinion),most brs i have had over the years roll very deep but dont kit very well,prefering to do their own thing ?,when you have a good kit of badges they really do stick together and are a pleasure to watch, i have seen some of the american guys pics on here and also in my time thousands of badges of all colours and i will stick my neck out by saying that some of the usa birds are badge related without a doubt,this brings us back to the old chestnut question about badges and brs being two different breeds ,well its not true in my opinion,they all originated from the same place years ago ,the club flyers that i meet in the brum area prefer the short roll badge for club flies and have done for thirty five years to my knowledge,its all a matter of taste and whatever takes your fancy really,jim .
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W@yne
1327 post s
19-May-2008
10:05 AM
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Jim. Joey.
How deep do your badges roll and how tight do they ball up just curious guys.
I know you have competition badges and i have never seen these fly in competition fitness.
I would love to see a badge competition fly so let me know Jim or Joey when one is in Brum ill tag along if you guys dont mind.
PS Jim dont tell Norman you have badges that do 20 foot he will be jealous Lol.
Jim
Also Bill Pensom took some badges over to America to show the guys over there the difference between Bages and the Birminham Roller pigeon a long time ago way long before i was born lol,
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Last Edited on 19-May-2008 10:29 AM
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spinner jim
306 post s
19-May-2008
10:29 AM
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Wayne the one thing i forgot to mention was the wolverhampton type badge that you were right in saying was the wolverhampton tumbler,they look the same identical in fact but are mainly bred for show and looks,a lot of the club members do not fly at all and you take a chance wether they will go over or not if you buy em,they have a sale there on sunday i will go to try and get some brs for a chap about thirty miles away from me who had a squirrel get in his loft and killed most of his stock (yes a bloody tree rat ?)but before i do any bidding i willquiz the buyers to find out any info i can,jim (FM).
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norlan hollingate
110 post s
19-May-2008
12:46 PM
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good reading jim of course plenty of people would of put badges into bhr i even know waynes mate even put parlour rollers into bhr george mason put a kit of badges out for me fast as fu---- tight as wayne lol but in my opinion doing 4-5ft max the ones u get wich do 20 ft is a falt bird as of a bhr wich does 3x what ur other birds are doing
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W@yne
1328 post s
19-May-2008
1:05 PM
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Norman dont call me tight lol im as generous as Bob Geldoff.
Unlike yer mate Nooney where every pounds a prisoner in his pocket, Deep pockets and short arms lol.
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norlan hollingate
112 post s
19-May-2008
1:14 PM
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wayne i will tell bullhead n u know wat will happen if he comes to ur house----------------- he will eat all ur food ------------------ fa- gre--- cu-- haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa xxxxx
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joey mac
27 post s
22-May-2008
1:18 PM
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hi wayne badges do not ball up to good 1 to 2 feet and loose. my best badge comes 3 foot and she is a blur.no competitions any more. thats why i am going in to birmingham rollers. ps still looking for two 10 foot hens for next breeding season.
Last Edited on 22-May-2008 1:19 PM
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j .wanless
159 post s
27-May-2008
12:21 PM
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hi all been reading on another post about the depth factor.the depth like wayne & errol have said on here depends on the area where you live. i like them live in a built up area like most of us in mbro. so to me the most important thing is between 2 things speed or control not depth.ilike every one like a bit of depth but not over deep.when i pair up depth never comes into my thoughts.i believe if you bread off only good fast quality rollers the right depth will arrive. if you put pairs that you expect to bread you deep birds then i think you are looking for trouble. remember when i stock a bird it has to be of the right stuff before i put it in depth speed control the full package.we in mbro bread as deep as anyone in england but i bet if asked none think about breeding for depth because that comes naturaly because of the type of birds we use. what do you think deano .
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deano
29 post s
27-May-2008
12:47 PM
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john i never think of depth speed and control is what ilook for Deep pigeons seem to lose kit just had youngster doing about 30ft give les it he loves it just abit dangerous rd my house 10 to 20ft enough for me mate
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norlan hollingate
149 post s
27-May-2008
2:05 PM
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john n deano im glad to here that you are happy with a average of approx 15ft wich i believe is a nice depth wich takes the spinning birds far enuugh from the kit to count n see the quality [with ur experience i dont think this can be questiond] what should be questiond is the 6-8 ft birds wich get judged n scored wich could make people think this is the way forward to win competitions[wich would make it crap] i think to many people believe their birds are doing twice there depth that they are doing i believe 20ft is deep surely birds doing over this depth are going to find it vertualy impossible to keep a good active work rate with good kitting i am relating to fast tight rollers just my opinion n i always say my thoughts dont all get on my case just post ur honest opinion [n if u do get on my case ahhhhhhhhhhhhh heeeeeeeeee xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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deano
34 post s
28-May-2008
3:26 AM
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norman pigeons rolling that short should get no quality ( BUT THEY DO)not in roll long enough to call them rollers this is a good site to air your views may be at next meetings things might change for the good of rollers
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Errol
23 post s
28-May-2008
12:04 PM
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Sorry to but in again,i am no expert but havn,t flyers won in compeitons with big breaking points and normal quality.Also have seen results with high Quality and who have never reached the top but second place.??
Errol
Last Edited on 28-May-2008 12:07 PM
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black 500
4 post s
1-Jun-2008
1:57 PM
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20ft fierce ball roll's. 6 rolls a minute. thats what im always looking for. thats why i still havnt flew in competition's. still looking for em! erm, ha ha ha ha!
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