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low flying masons
lee72

42 post s
29-Apr-2008
2:11 PM
i have a kit of young birds from different bloodlines,which were flying great until i put four young masons in,then they all started flying really low .they did this for about a week ,then i flew them seperate and all the masons flew low ,the rest flew as they should.do anybody know how to get the masons up or should i just get rid.
Pete M

16 post s
29-Apr-2008
11:32 PM
Hi Lee


Are the masons younger than the rest of the birds?

PS. if you are getting rid let me know.


Pete

Shaun

577 post s
29-Apr-2008
11:45 PM
Low flying Masons is a fairly regular problem for some, but not all. The knack is to get the youngsters up there in the first place. With mine, once I persuade them to fly higher, they do it regularly. The danger of them flying low is that they will also roll low, usually into the tops of trees, if you have them nearby. So, getting them up is vital and worth persevering with if you have some good ones. My trick is to box them up and take them about down the road and release them. They don't know where they are, so they circle for a bit then they get higher trying to find their loft. Eventually, they rise up, get their bearings and return home. However, when they return and circle above the loft (we're only talking about 15 minutes since you released them down the road), they're much higher than normal.

When they're released the next day from your house, the theory is they then had such fun the day before, up they go and, thereafter, the low flying habit is now broken.

Just remember not to take them too far down the road. They need to be able to rise up and recognise their usual territory and their loft. If you take them too far, they can head off in a different direction and you might lose one or more of them. I find about a quarter of a mile works for me.

I spent the first two years moaning about my low flying Masons and have now come to realise it has definite advantages. Once you get them flying to a decent height, they don't disappear ever higher until they pin out. This means you don't risk losing them due to overflies, where they get can caught in the slipstream and are forced away from their known surroundings, whereby they get lost.

Secondly, for those who have peregrine troubles, a lower flying roller is probably better than a high flyer.

Thirdly, is purely personal. When I see birds up too high and rolling, the impact for me is much lessened. When my Masons roll around three times house roof height, the sight is much better, as you get to see much more of what it's all about. So long as they're not crashing into trees, that is!

Shaun

lee72

43 post s
30-Apr-2008
8:17 AM
cheers shaun i will give it a go and let you know how it went
jim

95 post s
30-Apr-2008
8:36 AM
Hi

I would say.Get rid of the rest and keep the four.The 5 top flyers in the nationals all had MASONS in their blood.
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Jim "Mason"

Errol

8 post s
30-Apr-2008
10:22 AM
Hi lee72
I also have some Mason,s birds in my kit, i have Ollie Harris,Ian lawrence and Bill O lines.
Alot of Mason,s were deep flyers,had to sort them out,which one,s dragged them down, from the one,s left over,now do keep up with the kit in all hights but i do have to pull the Mason,s out now again and feed them better and rest them for few a days.
At the mo i fly 3 strains with good results not every mans cup of tea but it works for me.
What i have also found out is the Mason,s birds flown with a young kit tend to put alot of action in,thus giving yongsters some good training.
Errol
155

397 post s
5-May-2008
5:18 PM
hi all
well i also fly some masons birds too but on my young birds i try to keep them food up for the frist 2 mounth of flying
that way they will have a nice high on them TO ME MASONS BIRDS ARE EAZY TO WORK WITH..............................

EVILLOFT'S
FROM MESA ARIZONA......................................

c robbo

344 post s
9-May-2008
4:32 PM
if you notice the flyers whos birds stay lowe the hall have big trees around them. fact.
rollermanx0

422 post s
9-May-2008
4:47 PM
CAN I SEE SOME PICTURES?
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sTeVEn RUsSElL
ICRC/CSRA/WCS
chubs

56 post s
9-May-2008
5:00 PM
why's that then c robbo?
Steve_uk

492 post s
10-May-2008
1:51 AM
I've never had any problems with Georges flying low here or at my last house i put it down to location 100%
lee72

44 post s
12-May-2008
9:40 AM
there is a 40ft conifer in my garden and the masons sometimes fly into it,they are realy pissing me of
155

424 post s
12-May-2008
12:21 PM
lee send all your mason birds to me to mesa arizona i will work with them
Shaun

580 post s
12-May-2008
12:22 PM
Lee, I've got loads of tall conifers in and around the garden. Apart from the low flying problem which I used to regularly have, stopping the birds landing in the conifers has been an ongoing battle. They use them like a landing pole, which some flyers have. I much prefer the kit to land in one place on the loft roof, but the tall trees make it quite difficult for them to land in such a small spot; some take the easier route of landing in the tree.

Each year, I buy a 9 metre flagpole and I stick a flag on the end of it, to chase birds out of trees. However, the flag isn't quite long enough and I end up tossing the whole thing up to reach the top of the trees. Unfortunately, it sometimes gets stuck and other times it smashes to the ground and breaks. So, all in all, those bloody conifers are a pain in the arse.

Anyway, back to the low flying. Those trees are, as others are commenting, the usual reason for low flying Masons. However, don't give up hope; mine are flying way above them nowadays, simply because I got them used to flying higher by releasing them away from the trees, down the road.

Shaun

c robbo

348 post s
12-May-2008
6:34 PM
i rely think the trees out our back made my birds stay low.lee
lee72

45 post s
24-May-2008
2:24 PM
well i have tried taking my birds and letting them go a quarter of a mile away but they still come back flying low,even my other rollers fly low now,like homers but fly for about a hour any idears?
155

452 post s
24-May-2008
6:59 PM
just send them to me to the usa.....
trevsta65

281 post s
24-May-2008
11:29 PM
what so you can cross them with something else 155 and flog them of as pure masons like some of the other mutts i see being called masons
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cheers trev
norlan hollingate

122 post s
25-May-2008
6:41 AM
i do believe ste uk is right about location n lets have it right how many of these so called mason birds are pure mason birds i got a kit direct of george n sorted the good out [what suited me ] i got a kit off j wanlass d mosley j lenahan n again sorted what suited me flew these as a team n done quite well with them i go on lots of flys n listen n take note of what is said i here u can tell there all the same family or strain because [there the same size same wing beat roll the same depth etc ] so why is it my mixed kit do all this n back to low flying my mixed kit flys approx 60-80 ft is this the masons keeping them low [i dont think so] i do find the mason birds very nervous n can swoop down very quickly birds flying low for me is good to many bop near me took 6-7 n slashed 2 to date to the trees just check with ur l/a planning in some areas the hight of connys is max 6m ish n any other trees check there is no tpo s on them n u can cut them without permission at my last house i was on the end of a woods my kit boxes was under a 200 yr old oak tree now that was a big mother f------ about 20m tall my birds had to duck under the tree up onto a 20ft branch then drop down onto the kit box people use to come n not believe it ur birds will do wat they have to do to suit the surroundings its the bop not the trees wich is the problem one nite i left 12 birds out a owl ripped all there heads of took some n jammed the others high up on other trees so at the end of the day watever ur location or birds are just sort it out to suit urself noony done a dvd called the tree all u ere is him laughing but showed my birds coming in if i find it i will post it n if ur birds constantly land in the tree other than were u want them use a air r------ it sorts the problem out can u tell i am board its blowing a gail here my y/b done 3 1/2 hrs yesterday with the wind i hope u find some of this interesting if not hard luck [going flying my gail force rollers] haaaaa heeeeeeeee lmfaoooooooooo xxxxxxxxxxxx
155

457 post s
25-May-2008
4:26 PM
TREVSTA65: CHECK THIS OUT MY MASON BIRD'S THAT I HAVE ARE AS PURE AS THE BIRD'S THAT MASON HAS IN HIS LOFT THIS BIRD'S WERE GIVEN TO AL LUNA THAT LIVE'S IN ARIZONA THEY CAME STRAIGHT FROM GEORGE MASON'S LOFT AND IF DOUBT THIS, YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK GEORGE MASON HIM SELF THAT WAY YOU CAN SLEEP BETTER AT NIGHT....MY BIRD'S ARE PURE MASON....LATER MATE....
lee72

46 post s
26-May-2008
12:14 AM
i have since split my masons and other bloodlines up,my other birds wont fly high but fly for about an hour why is this ,i have taken them further away from the loft and released them but they come straight back flying like homers.could they be too heavy,i feed them depuritive but have just put them on straight wheat, any thoughts?
trevsta65

282 post s
26-May-2008
1:24 AM
gee i think i hurt someones feelings by the way he is SHOUTING AT ME at no stage did i mention that the birds you have are crossed but as they say if the shoe fits i think i must have hit a nerve i have masons that are crossed not ashamed to admit it but mine are crossed with lennihans so i think thats not a bad thing
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cheers trev
joey mac

28 post s
26-May-2008
2:09 AM
HI lee keep birds in for a week and feed them 50% wheat and 50% conditioner. and then let them out at 6 a time by bloodlines and se how it gos. ps good luck.
lee72

47 post s
26-May-2008
1:22 PM
cheers joey i will give it a try
Shaun

611 post s
27-May-2008
6:44 AM
Lee, going back to letting them out down the road, because the idea is for the birds to find themselves in unfamiliar surroundings, they have to get right up to see where they are. I watched mine do it; they buggered about flying in circles at some guy's house down the road. After a while they got fed up (and the guy must have wondered why a flock of pigeons was circling his house) and one by one, they got higher. After about 10 minutes, the whole kit was together at a good flying height and they started to make their way back home.

It is a bit tricky because you don't want to take them too far where they go up, don't recognise where they are and so take off in the wrong direction and get lost. Equally, you don't want to release them so close to home that they don't need to rise up very far, because they know straightaway where they are, so they just fly back at their normal height.

I'd suggest you take them a bit further, say half a mile. I have had birds not return from one mile, but very few - most easily get back from a mile away. So, if you experiment from a quarter of a mile, then a bit further, then you might be able to break the habit.

At the moment, all my Masons are flying very well indeed. Now that the sparrowhawk has finally found a mate to shag her, she's not slaughtering my birds whilst she nests. She was such an ugly bitch that the male sparrowhawks all said "nah, I'm already spoken for, love", so it took her a while to get hitched this year. Anyhow, with the bitch out of the way, the Masons are flying at a great height (remember, I'm surrounded by very tall trees and live on the edge of a wood). They're also flying for the time I like - between 30 and 45 minutes.

I'll tell you something else, Lee, the worst problem I've had with Masons, has been youngsters that wanted to land early, bringing the kit down with them. Each day it would be a different youngster, so there was no pattern to it... no particular bird to remove from the kit. In the end I got rid of the whole lot and started again. So, what I would advise is that if the Masons you have are doing OK other than the low flying, then give them some time.

I used to let mine out in batches of four. I would mix the colours so I could identify them in the air. Even with loads of black and whites I have, there's always one with a white tail but with just one feather that's black. I can tell which one it is just by that. Or mix a red with a blue check with a black with a mealy... that type of thing.

Anyway, in batches of four I could see if any particular one was flying low, or away from the others, or rolling better or worse than the others. It's time-consuming, because you have to sort all the birds out for flying in batches, then you have to get each batch in before letting the next one out. However, I put a day aside to work through a whole kit of youngsters and by the end of it, I'd made a list of which birds were worth keeping and which ones were for the bin.

Shaun

lee72

48 post s
27-May-2008
9:06 AM
thanks shaun,some of the masons i bred are rolling really well,its just that i think they will end up bumping when they fly so low .i have locked them down for a week so i can feed them up because i think they were too light and then try again.
Shaun

613 post s
27-May-2008
9:57 AM
Lee I've had loads of bumping Masons for exactly the reason you mention. However, there's a big difference between that and a stone-cold rolldown. In the latter case, the birds often roll from a good height, but just don't stop until they hit the deck or the loft roof. The not-so-bad birds will just roll straight into the top of a tree, but quickly exit out the side! It's true that until you get them flying at a decent height, it can happen all the time. It's also more of a problem with youngsters; older birds don't do it nearly as much later on. Big trees = big pain in the arse.

However, if I sometimes get the feed wrong (too little), or I let the older kit out into bright sunshine, after they've been cooped up in subdued light for a while, I can quite a lot of birds bumping on release. Any roller that hits anything I watch quite closely afterwards. Right now, I have an excellent roller, but he bumps too often going up and coming in for my liking. He's alright as a kit bird, but I wouldn't breed from him, as I've got others that roll as well but are more stable.

So, all in all it's really important that you get your birds up passed the trees and the house roofs. But, if your Masons kit well and you're seeing good rolling, then you should persevere. It usually comes good in the end.

Shaun

Errol

22 post s
27-May-2008
10:34 PM
Hi all
Took 2 active and nice young birds out of my kit(shame) because they were flying low and now the kit are flying a nice hight and working well,Yes you guessed it,the 2 were Masons but saying that, in the kit there are still some Masons in it no probs.
Just sort them out whats best for you and you will have a good kit.
Errol.
velocity1

3 post s
28-May-2008
7:34 PM
Where did you get your George Mason pigeons from?I live in the USA and i've been flying Pure Mason pigeons for 13 years now that where imported by AL Luna in Arizona my good freind.If you have to take your birds down the road to release hoping to get height i would cull those one's and bred up another kit and try something different.Most problems start with handling so don't put all the blame on the birds.Age doesn't mean nothing and i have proved that by putting a 3 year old cock in a kit that has never seen the air till then and 6 months later he turned out to be a very good roller.I would also like to say hi to George Mason and thank you again for the book.I don't have a problem with low flying either.
Joey Canteloupe

Last Edited on 28-May-2008 7:36 PM

joey mac

29 post s
4-Jun-2008
12:20 PM
hi lee how is the birds going. Did you get them going.
lee72

50 post s
4-Jun-2008
2:01 PM
alright joey,i think im getting there,i have got my other bloodlines flying high so now im going to introduce a mason at time and see how it goes,its been a nightmare, i noticed somebirds were eating more than others when feeding them altogether so ihave had to feed them individuely