Ally Mac
229 post s
22-Mar-2008
2:14 PM
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Had'ny lost a bird to the hawks or falcon for over a year. Missing one yesterday then saw a sparrow hawk take one today. I was wondering how long it would last, now I know!!!!!!!!!!!
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spinner jim
253 post s
22-Mar-2008
2:17 PM
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Sorry to here that ally,chin up they wont be protected for ever we hope,jim gloster.
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Ally Mac
231 post s
22-Mar-2008
2:19 PM
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Was through seeing a racer pal in Edinburg on Thursday. I know exactly what to do now. Really easy having seen it. Will get something rigged up in the next few days.
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j .wanless
39 post s
25-Mar-2008
9:53 AM
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hi every one y/b just took a pounding off perigrine but did not get one.each time it dived in to them i whistled as loud as poss .if your birds are not too high it deffinatly works.colin & charlie have seen me do it & it never got one.but you/ve got to keep your birds from going too high.i spent a week in portugal a few year ago with graham dexter. it worked every time over there he told me it was the only time it never took any.only problem was he couldnt whistle.ispent a week trying to learn him.but the real reason i/ve come on is to try & get every one to log on here every time you get hit.we/ll have one for amiss &one for a kill.be intresting how many of us are getting hit.
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j .wanless
40 post s
25-Mar-2008
9:58 AM
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so every one i/ll start tue 25 march 1 miss perigrine.
time about 3 30 pm.
Last Edited on 25-Mar-2008 10:11 AM
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colinb
63 post s
25-Mar-2008
1:03 PM
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terrys joist been on the phone a sparrow hawk took one yesterday
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j .wanless
43 post s
25-Mar-2008
1:35 PM
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colin cant count terrys yesterday cos i started it today. but he wants to talk to ally.one of his earlier mails was about something he seen in edinbrough, but be careful what you say.
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c robbo
256 post s
26-Mar-2008
6:14 PM
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im missing an old hen to the bop. thay are 3 diffrent bops hit me.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
2288 post s
27-Mar-2008
4:38 AM
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Hello to All, law enforcement and certain animal rights groups are known to peruse posts mentioning bird of prey, the Audubon Society has even archived a page from this site that it makes available on its website to make a point, I guess, of the mentallity of roller breeders when it comes to violating the MBTA. Here is the posting policy on bop: "The Following Is Not Allowed: • Pictures, plans or descriptions of traps intended to catch federally protected birds of prey or comments or advice of any methods or tools designed to or intended to harass or discourage a protected bird from its normal habits. General discussion of the MTBA, birds of prey and related topics are allowed." On this site we encourage all to follow the law and avoid violating the MBTA and also to avoid unannounced visits from law-enforcement to your lofts. Cheers!
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dave bristol
1 post
27-Mar-2008
12:52 PM
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John when I start flying the birds again I think I will keep you busy as I am surrounded by 7 pairs of peregines with-in a 6 mile radious as the crow flys or in this case the peregrine flys
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W@yne
1224 post s
27-Mar-2008
1:01 PM
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Wow Dave if i had 7 pr of peregrines nearby i think that would be the end of me keeping rollers.
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j .wanless
48 post s
27-Mar-2008
1:05 PM
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hi dave i know you/ve had it bad in bristol for years.we/ve only been getting hit for 4or 5 years up north.i used to think maybe it was too cold up here but obvious not.i know nothing will be done but i intend to go to our local paper& open thier eyes to whats happening.
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dave bristol
2 post s
27-Mar-2008
1:25 PM
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John as you know we have been living with peregrines for years, there are two or three flyers around me flying a mixed bag of pigeons and I watch out for these to fly and hope they take there's first and then release my birds,it works sometimes but I usually lose 10 to 15 per year.
Last Edited on 27-Mar-2008 1:29 PM
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spinner jim
256 post s
27-Mar-2008
1:37 PM
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Dave welcome to the site, i am just up the road from you in gloucester,the peres are too many to count here,at least two pairs on the royal hospital,two pairs on the cathedral others from god knows where,i am thinking of equiping my birds with lights and flying them at night lol,what birds do you keep dave and are you in a club,jim gloucester.
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jo
12 post s
27-Mar-2008
2:14 PM
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www.freewebs.com/showrollersI don't mean to rub it in, but I don't get any problems with raptors down here. There are plenty of Sparrowhawks around, but they don't bother with my birds at all. Small wild birds and collard doves are abundant here, and they tend to go for them. About five miles down the road from where I live there is a reserve which I go to a lot, Peregrines there, also Marsh Harriers (which won't bother the pigeons) Maybe it is just a matter of time until the Peregrines venture further my way. I hope not!
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Ally Mac
233 post s
27-Mar-2008
2:17 PM
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Jo I was like you when I first started with rollers. It lasted for 2 years then the sparrow hawk and the peregrine both found me. Seems to come and go though. Only lost 1 lats year, but had to lock down the year before. This year hasnt started too well im afraid.
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spinner jim
260 post s
27-Mar-2008
2:19 PM
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Jo, i have heard that peregrines ,after the young have been weaned ,force their young to move a certain distance from the nest maybe a mile ?,so eventually they are in a ring formation around their chosen hunting area,cant get any better for us can it ?,jim gloster.
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W@yne
1226 post s
27-Mar-2008
2:22 PM
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Jo
When you start flying your rollers as an established kit with good height it will only be a matter of time before the peregrine will give you a visit, Peregrines can see well over five miles and can get to five miles radius within a minute or two.
I just hope you will never see it near your place.
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Last Edited on 27-Mar-2008 2:23 PM
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jo
13 post s
27-Mar-2008
2:30 PM
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www.freewebs.com/showrollersAlly, the peregrines are so near, I know it will only be a matter of time. I've been flying the birds out for a year now, started flying a few show rollers this time last year. Today a Sparrowhawk flew straight over the loft, youngsters were sitting on top, the hawk was only six foot or so above them, but it didn't bat an eye lid at them. The Sparrow Hawks occasionally sits on my bird table waiting for easy picking did dins, in the tree where I put the wild bird feeders, and on the fence. They have such easy targets to choose from. They are around here all of the time, but so far, they've left the birds alone. I hope it does continue that way. Fingers crossed.
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Ally Mac
234 post s
27-Mar-2008
2:34 PM
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I can remeber looking up at the peregrine as it flew over ignoring my birds for the first couple of years. Couldnt believe how lucky I weas as I was always hearing of others losses. Ive a pal in Perth who has just about given up flying now due to problems. Hope your luck lasts a good while yet. Al.
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jo
14 post s
27-Mar-2008
2:35 PM
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www.freewebs.com/showrollersI also have white racing pigeons. I have a large kit of those. I took them for a 10 mile training toss last week, they took an hour and a half to come home, where they had previously been flying it in 20 minutes. They returned in ones and twos, and four turned up two days later! One never returned, so I guess that was "got". Jim, the peregrines will come, it is just a matter of time. Great site by the way, where's your guestbook, I couldn't find it. Thanks for signing mine. Jo
Last Edited on 27-Mar-2008 2:40 PM
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Ally Mac
235 post s
27-Mar-2008
2:37 PM
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Sounds like they were scattered by a pred. I was talking to a pal in Edinburgh last week. He had young birds out one evening last year. They were scattered by a hawk and one was reported in Liverpool the next morning. Obviously never looked back.
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jo
15 post s
27-Mar-2008
2:42 PM
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www.freewebs.com/showrollersAlly, that is some flying, wish mine were that quick, lazy white lumps they are! ha ha
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c robbo
259 post s
28-Mar-2008
9:58 AM
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my brother peter is getting regular visits off pergrine,took one yesterday,also a kestrel or something similar it is very deep red colour,but i,ve never seen kestrels chase pigeons like this it took a young one down to the ground at side of my house found feathers with stamp on it,also last saturday there were three peregrines above our house,two quite high and one already flying off with one of my old birds,this rate will have none to fly.
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j .wanless
50 post s
28-Mar-2008
10:20 AM
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so chris the perigrine took 1 of peters yesterday what time do you know.peter lives about 500 yds from me & chris another500 yds from me.2 days between my hit & peters.im just about to fly my y/b now so fingers crossed.
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jo
16 post s
28-Mar-2008
2:33 PM
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www.freewebs.com/showrollersJohn, how did you get on flying your youngsters today?
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j .wanless
52 post s
29-Mar-2008
3:51 AM
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hi jo had no problems with bop yesterday.
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colinb
64 post s
29-Mar-2008
7:43 AM
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seen the sparrow hawk this morning but it never looked at the kit
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c robbo
262 post s
30-Mar-2008
12:54 PM
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well 28 old birds left.when i get to 20 old im packing up defo im fed up with the bop now.got one of my good hens to day. some think needs to be done about it asap so if the is any bill oddies about get the bop and move them some weir safe. it gets you really mad. yours sincely chris robo. aka no1 rollerman 2007.lol
Last Edited on 24-Apr-2008 2:52 PM
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c robbo
263 post s
31-Mar-2008
8:34 AM
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well good day this morning.the crows done me proud the kept the hawks away. the crow mobed them for 45 mins kept them at bay. ps i must of seen 5 pair in a mile radious. thay cud be harris hawk. so we got sparrow hawks.harris hawks. the perigrin. our peter said a kestrel tuk his young bird last weekend. the seagul will be next to take young an old birds
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j .wanless
53 post s
31-Mar-2008
9:10 AM
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chris when you got one of your old birds took what day was it & the time .chris by the way kestrels wont bother pigeons a pigeon is far too big for a kestrel it was probably a sparrow hawk.
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c robbo
265 post s
31-Mar-2008
10:22 AM
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john the last old bird wot got tuk was on sataday at 12 30. our peter was watching his birds and he seen the kestrel was hovering and take it.
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dave bristol
3 post s
31-Mar-2008
11:21 AM
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John, I flew the old birds for the first time on sunday at 17.00 they went up high and a bop approached them and it looked like a buzzard so I did not take too much notice of it but what ever it was it went into the kit and took one it certainly was not a peregrine it was large with round wings. after 15 mins the kit got to-gether and then they were hit by two peregrines and after several attempts went away with two birds one of the kit landed minus it's tail.
I released 19 birds and ended having 15 back.to-night I let the old birds out again they lifted and was hit twice and lost another two birds the two hits were 15 mins apart and the peregrines departed in different directions the birds were released at 17.45
Last Edited on 31-Mar-2008 11:22 AM
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j .wanless
54 post s
31-Mar-2008
11:54 AM
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dave dont know what to say to you .you must be gutted.iknow youve got it bad but i didnt realise how bad.we all moan about getting hit but i dont think i could cope getting hit like you do.i havnt seen it since last week.by the way ive just started to fly a kit of old birds.im a nervous wreck when they start to lift.im leaving it as late as i dare before i put them out hoping its already eating.
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Steve_uk
412 post s
31-Mar-2008
12:51 PM
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They wont be harris hawks chris there south american and dont have any weather protection (no oil gland)
Steve...
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Ally Mac
236 post s
31-Mar-2008
1:10 PM
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I dont think a Buzzard would go for the pigeons either. I always have them flying round me and they have never even looked at the birds. I did see what I thought was a Kite last summer when I was on holiday on Arran. It could easily be mistaken for a Buzzard, by me anyway. Someone said they are becoming more common. Sounds horreendous where you are Dave, you must be gutted right enough. Al.
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j .wanless
56 post s
31-Mar-2008
1:27 PM
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ally you have to feel for poor dave dont you.somewhere near john in durham last year or year before they released 20or 30 kites apparantly they stay in flocks. but i thought they are more carrion like vultures? could be wrong.
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jo
17 post s
31-Mar-2008
1:45 PM
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www.freewebs.com/showrollersDave, sorry to hear about the attack. It may have been a Goshawk Female Goshawks are about the size of a buzzard, and they have broad wings. Male Goshawks are similar size to a female Sparrowhawk, broad wings. As you are in the Bristol area, then there is every chance that is what attacked your birds. They will take pigeons. It is very unlikely to be a Buzzard which attacked, as they tend to prey on voles, rabbits even worms.
Jo
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rollingandtumbling
38 post s
1-Apr-2008
3:47 AM
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you guys are getting it bad it must be heartbreaking after all the time and tlc you put in,
there is a breeding program for red kite not far way from me but s far as iam aware kites dot take birds on the wing,ive not seen any peragrine up here but they will be about plenty of spuggy hawks though.
john
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deano
3 post s
1-Apr-2008
4:44 AM
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hi john sparrow got andys last night about 7 chased it of it bird full of blood but still alive/?
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lee72
38 post s
1-Apr-2008
10:11 AM
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i havnt seen any peregrins near me i would love to see it stooping at one of my birds,as long as it missed lol
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c robbo
272 post s
1-Apr-2008
10:26 AM
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lee are u from north east.
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dave bristol
4 post s
1-Apr-2008
12:34 PM
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If it is any consolation to anyone who is thinking of packing in the rollers ,I was getting hit in a simular manner about 15 years ago and as you can see I am still daft enough to be keeping these stupid birds.Jo you may be right about the goshawk because a racing man near me said it was a goshawk taking his birds several years ago and these were living in woods about three miles from me,as I do not know enough about bop I am not sure.all I know with 100% certaintly I know when a peregrine takes one
A problem I was getting 2 years ago was I kept getting hit by a peregrine still wearing it's leather leg straps and this was witnessed during one of our competitions down here so it is not always the wild bred birds we have to contend with
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lee72
39 post s
1-Apr-2008
1:07 PM
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im from leeds
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rolle'm
6 post s
1-Apr-2008
1:16 PM
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things seem to be the same over here in the states.
i have a coopershawk and a redtailhawk fighting over my yard.not to mention the occasional falcon winging through.
if you do get a chance to fly once in a while,you can bet there will be some dive bombers around the next day.
Last Edited on 1-Apr-2008 1:17 PM
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jo
18 post s
1-Apr-2008
3:28 PM
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www.freewebs.com/showrollers
Hi Dave, Goshawks do live and breed in wooded areas. Adult Goshawks are white underneath with fine dark barring, brown on top. Juveniles are barred but they are buff coloured underneath with the barring. I've looked in my RSPB books published 2003 (being the birdie freak that I am), and it shows Goshawks throughout Wales, North Midlands to South Yorkshire and Scottish Borders into Scotland. It is five years after the book was published, so they may have spread further too, but as you are so close to Wales, chances are it was a Goshawk. Everything crossed it doesn't come back eh.
Last Edited on 1-Apr-2008 3:30 PM
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Steve_uk
414 post s
1-Apr-2008
11:15 PM
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Its the sheep you wanna worry about lee lmao.
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j .wanless
59 post s
2-Apr-2008
12:43 PM
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b /sted perigrine took y/b tonight.but not only that done same as chris.scattered them all over the sky that was 6/its now 7/30 still 6 missing. thats 14 y/b lost this year like robbo im thinking is it worth it.
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Ally Mac
239 post s
2-Apr-2008
1:54 PM
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Thats a horrendous state of affairs you boys are having to put up with. I hope somehow it improves. I know one of the Glasgow feds are going to race up the west road this year. They all switch to the east road a number of years ago due to losses. Wonder if moving west again will have any impact on you boys.
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dave bristol
6 post s
2-Apr-2008
2:23 PM
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John, two strikes to-night but the rollers gave them a good run for their money and all came back safe this was about 19.00 and the chase lasted about 3 mins each time and then the peregrines gave up I have seen this many times over the years,if the roller dives and twists as they run for cover they really do take some catching but sometimes they just seem to give in and do not put up any opposition and then it's goodnight
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